cause of holograms?

Kristopher1129 said:
"If:
1. "If" is the BIGGEST "little" word in the English language. It can stop a contract from going through. It can stop a marriage. It can stop love. It can intervene in life and change it dramatically. If can do many things. It is able to change an entire book of words. (If this story had been true, wouldn't it really be sad then?") If can change your point of view, perspective, and interest in one, or many things (persons, etc...) all at once, or over a long period of time."

There it is.
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LOL, can you use something better than urban dictionary...
 
Kristopher1129 said:
Well that's not what you said. You said if the pad is NOT spinning...then there shouldn't be holograms. I disagree. In fact...if anything, that's what caused the holograms.

The flex is the only one with REAL forced rotation. But the Megs and Griots promote rotation under pressure as well...that's what I mean. Most of them do. The PC does not. So in that case...most do promote rotation under pressure.
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back on topic. so you are saying pad rotation is easier on the griot and meg compared to the pc assuming they are running at the same speed???

i think it is better to keep every word precise to reduce confusion
 
qaz393 said:
back on topic. so you are saying pad rotation is easier on the griot and meg compared to the pc assuming they are running at the same speed???

i think it is better to keep every word precise to reduce confusion
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I never said anything close to that. That's not the topic anyways, ha. Actually, you just changed the topic completely.

Speed has nothing to do with what I said. I said that the Griots, Megs, and Flex promote rotation under pressure. I don't care what speed you're running the DA...if you push down on that PC, it's gonna stop completely. The Megs, Griots, and Flex will continue to spin.
 
Kristopher1129 said:
I never said anything close to that. That's not the topic anyways, ha. Actually, you just changed the topic completely.

Speed has nothing to do with what I said. I said that the Griots, Megs, and Flex promote rotation under pressure. I don't care what speed you're running the DA...if you push down on that PC, it's gonna stop completely. The Megs, Griots, and Flex will continue to spin.
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you were the one that raised this up. how is the PC worst in pad rotation. (7424XP) Give me an example
 
so if I bought a rotary and only used it for jewelling, at least until I got proficient, could I still get holograms on soft black paint?
 
embolism said:
so if I bought a rotary and only used it for jewelling, at least until I got proficient, could I still get holograms on soft black paint?
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you could get holograms, but you could always use super soft black or red or gold
 
I just read through this thread... let's try to keep it clean and on-topic.... remember, this is a family friendly forum and we have a very wide and diverse group of people that visit this forum everyday including non-traditional forum people form the TV world and other touch points that Autogeek reaches out to.

Thank you. :props:



embolism said:
so if I bought a rotary and only used it for jewelling, at least until I got proficient, could I still get holograms on soft black paint?
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qaz393 said:
you could get holograms,
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Good question. Good answer.

Holograms are scratches.
Scratches are instilled when "something" touches the paint and moves over it​
. Holograms are a very specific type of scratch pattern as they are induced or inflicted by a pad rotating in a single, circular action against the paint.

Clear coat paints are scratch-sensitive, that means that even though they can be very hard they will still scratch very easily. Softer paints will scratch even more easily.

Here's the deal and this is why I don't believe it when someone says they finish out to 100% swirl-free on every car they buff out using ONLY a rotary buffer and that's because paints are different.

Some paints are more polishable than others while others will scratch if you simply look at them the wrong way.

Besides that, the ONLY way to know if you leave a 100% swirl free finish is to chemically strip the paint and then view the paint in strong, bright light like sunlight around noon in the summer directly overhead.

That's the part I never see the guys claiming to finish out swirl free using only a rotary buffer document and that's how they chemically stripped the paint with pictures, and then pictures of them moving the car on location out into full sun, assuming there's full, bright sun the day of the detail and assuming they get through all the rotary steps before or around noonish while the sun is still overhead, and then the money shot proving what they claim. Then the problem is everyone knows that pictures can be taken in a way to show what a person wants the audience to see.

I just don't buy it.


I believe it's possible to finish out swirl-free using only a rotary buffer but not on ALL paint systems. The term paint systems is a way of saying cars, (or vehicles), because every car has some brand or type of paint system used on it so all cars differ because all paint systems differ unless you only work on only one model of car made using the exact paint system, etc.


The simple fix is to simply use a DA Polisher for your last machine polishing step as this changes the action of the tool and gets the pad touching the paint away from a singular, one direction rotating action and switches to a dual action, that is rotating and oscillating action and it is this oscillating action that acts to remove rotary buffer swirls, also called holograms, and not instill swirls at the same time.


:)
 
embolism said:
so if I bought a rotary and only used it for jewelling, at least until I got proficient, could I still get holograms on soft black paint?
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Assuming you're using a finishing pad and polish, and taking into consideration the other two factors (rotary and soft black paint), then I believe you'll only need to worry about using good rotary buffing technique, properly breaking down the polish and working clean.
 
Here's a pretty good read on this topic...


How do you stay away from holograms?




Suffice to say... practice, practice and practice and be ready to modify, adjust and substitute pads, products and techniques...


The Graphic Equalizer Analogy to Polishing Paint


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qaz393 said:
no link no care
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These are from the polisher descriptions...

Griots - "The Griot's Garage 6 inch Random Orbital Polisher also boasts more torque, which keeps the pad moving even under pressure."

Meguiars - "The Meguiars Dual Action 6 Inch Polisher G110v2 maintains your set speed even when pressure is applied."

Flex - "The FLEX Dual-Action Polisher has a true dual action motion. The pad moves in a forced rotation that keeps moving even when you put some pressure on the machine."

Nowhere in the PC description does it promote movement when pressure is applied. MOST of them do, as you can see and read for yourself. Which is what I said in the beginning.

The PC is one of the oldest DA polishers around, aside from the Cyclo. Which is why it lacks this feature.

ANYWAYS...this is entirely off topic from the OPs original post. So I'm done with this conversation. Just wanted to show you what I was talking about that's all.
 
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Kristopher1129 said:
These are from the polisher descriptions...

Griots - "The Griot's Garage 6 inch Random Orbital Polisher also boasts more torque, which keeps the pad moving even under pressure."

Meguiars - "The Meguiars Dual Action 6 Inch Polisher G110v2 maintains your set speed even when pressure is applied."

Flex - "The FLEX Dual-Action Polisher has a true dual action motion. The pad moves in a forced rotation that keeps moving even when you put some pressure on the machine."

Nowhere in the PC description does it promote movement when pressure is applied. MOST of them do, as you can see and read for yourself. Which is what I said in the beginning.

The PC is one of the oldest DA polishers around, aside from the Cyclo. Which is why it lacks this feature.
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the red text doesn't say anything about rotation. just keeps pads moving or set speed (GG and megs). you said this before, "Speed has nothing to do with what I said. I said that the Griots, Megs, and Flex promote rotation under pressure. I don't care what speed you're running the DA...if you push down on that PC, it's gonna stop completely." The Megs, Griots, and Flex will continue to spin." The Griots and Megs does not SAY SPIN/ROTATION, just maintain SPEED or MOVING. The MOVING is Random Orbital Movement, not pad rotation. Get your facts straight before saying things.

The Flex on the other hand is a different story because that is a force rotation (direct driven) Dual Action which means the motor is directly connected to the rotation motion.

The PC, GG and Megs are all free floating spindle assembly. Your thinking about the PC is different from GG and Megs is WRONG. You should read this article by Mike.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ting-spindle-assembly-story-behind-story.html
 
qaz393 said:
the red text doesn't say anything about rotation. just keeps pads moving or set speed (GG and megs). you said this before, "Speed has nothing to do with what I said. I said that the Griots, Megs, and Flex promote rotation under pressure. I don't care what speed you're running the DA...if you push down on that PC, it's gonna stop completely." The Megs, Griots, and Flex will continue to spin." The Griots and Megs does not SAY SPIN/ROTATION, just maintain SPEED or MOVING. The MOVING is Random Orbital Movement, not pad rotation. Get your facts straight before saying things.

The Flex on the other hand is a different story because that is a force rotation (direct driven) Dual Action which means the motor is directly connected to the rotation motion.

The PC, GG and Megs are all free floating spindle assembly. Your thinking about the PC is different from GG and Megs is WRONG. You should read this article by Mike.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ting-spindle-assembly-story-behind-story.html
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So you're saying random orbital movement has nothing to do with rotation? Haha. You might want to get your own facts straight buddy. I'm done talking to you.
 
Kristopher1129 said:
So you're saying random orbital movement has nothing to do with rotation? Haha. You might want to get your own facts straight buddy. I'm done talking to you.
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well you are the one saying the pc doesnt spin under pressure. learn to read. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
 
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