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i have a black 02 mustang and got a porter cable for xmass . there is alot of spider and rids on my car. i did a test spot with 105 and it cleaned up just about all the scratches . My question is 105 good enough for a finish or will i see better useing 205 ?I cant see how it can be any better with 205 other than giving me some more depth in the color . I had planed on useing 105 then 205 then either m82 or m03 then wax m26. i know i could just try to use 205 but i have alot of spiders and rids . The car has a nice shine to it but if you really look you can see scratches everyware .I just bought the car and it took me 40 hrs by hand to get the shine back . but once i got it to shine then all the scratches were there . looks like many yrs of auto car washes.
By the way great site and soo much helpfull information.
 
I have 105,205 m84,m82,m03 and m26 . its just that 105 is finishing great on the car with orange LC pad and dont see 205 doing any more (but i am probly wrong) . and yes i love your rims (02 bud) there next on my list after springs.

Here is a pic of what i am working with
 
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You are indeed wrong. Examine the paint in the bright sun or under good flor. lighting and you WILL have slight marring, especially on black. Now, if you are happy with your results... then you can go ahead and put a sealant over that. But you still have to put a finishing polish over the 105, pref. 205 and an ultra finishing polish (finessing) over that even... such as 85rd or 3m Ultrafine. This must be your first time polishing.... use 205 in combination with 85rd since you only have a DA... and then post what you think....

Your problem right now is that you have untrained eyes....
 
But good job on the first step on the Stang... looks good. You will get exceptional results finishing it. It is going to take some time, especially with a DA... but the end is worth it and all you will have to do in the future is maintain the finish and put a light polish on it yearly...

Also... you will still have deeper scratches in random areas (RIDS) which are called Random Isolated Deep Scratches... which you should disregard if this is a daily driver. Taking care of the swirls will be good enough and beneficial to your clearcoat. Hope this helps!
 
Ok so this is my gameplan start with 105 then 205 . Can i finish with m03 or m82? they are the only finishing products i have on hand. I am thinking finishing with m03 as m82 should be close to 205 .
also the pic is of the car before 105 but there are alot of spider and rids thats why i am starting with 105 not 205 . i only did a few test spots with 105 and its doing a great job. i am working a spot about 2x2 for about 2-3 min. is that long enough for 105 or should i work it longer ? the temp is about 60 and 105 seems to dry out fast i am useing QD to remove old product . should i be useing Isopropyl Alcohol 50/50 water instead of QD? I have been reading the forum and have a good idea what i should be doing .Just thought i would ask to get all my ducks lined up
Thanks for all the great information
 
vorga said:
Ok so this is my gameplan start with 105 then 205 . Can i finish with m03 or m82? they are the only finishing products i have on hand. I am thinking finishing with m03 as m82 should be close to 205 .
also the pic is of the car before 105 but there are alot of spider and rids thats why i am starting with 105 not 205 . i only did a few test spots with 105 and its doing a great job. i am working a spot about 2x2 for about 2-3 min. is that long enough for 105 or should i work it longer ? the temp is about 60 and 105 seems to dry out fast i am useing QD to remove old product . should i be useing Isopropyl Alcohol 50/50 water instead of QD? I have been reading the forum and have a good idea what i should be doing .Just thought i would ask to get all my ducks lined up
Thanks for all the great information
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Are you using the KBM with 105? That is, priming the whole pad.
 
i am useing XMT conditioner about 6 squirts from spray bottle . i did notice that after i cleaned the pad and let it sit a couple hrs it was still little damp. The 105 worked longer
 
vorga said:
i am useing XMT conditioner about 6 squirts from spray bottle . i did notice that after i cleaned the pad and let it sit a couple hrs it was still little damp. The 105 worked longer
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Sounds like you are still doing something wrong.
 
vorga said:
i am useing XMT conditioner about 6 squirts from spray bottle . i did notice that after i cleaned the pad and let it sit a couple hrs it was still little damp. The 105 worked longer
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I am new at this as well, but I use 2 squirts from the XMT conditioner. I think 6 might be too much.
 
vorga, it doesn't take #105 very long to work it's magic. I "usually" find that after spreading the product on a slow speed, then turn it up to 5/6, I only have to make two passes in my 18"X18" square. Unfortunately #105 is likely to dust quite a bit. The Quick Detailer is fine to remove dust, I use Meg's Last Touch.

Try shrinking your work space a little. 2'X2' sounds a little large. Then definately try your #205 to bring out that little extra depth, shine and clarity. But make sure you've cleared most of your swirls with the #105 first. A second pass with #105 isn't unheard of if you're scratched heavily.

A finish coat of wax or sealant is a must.
 
I had time to detail the mustang this weekend and it came out really good . I havent taken pics yet . i will post some once i get a chance. first i washed and had allready clayed 2 weeks ago . and used porter cable orange ccs pad 105 then white ccs pad 205 then white ccs pad and M03 finished up with a coat of M26. Removed about 98% of the defects . And it looks great ! The only thing i want to comment on about the whole prosess was how hard 105 was to work with . i was in a garage temp around 65
I could get 1 good pass then it would cake up . i tried many diffrent ways . Misting would help but only amount to anouther pass befor caking up . I think im going to call and see if i might of gotten a bad bottle .
I spent a better part of the weekend working on it .My arms still hurt and havent even gotten to the inside . i also think 1 more pass with 205 then M03 finish M26 might be in order just to get it to pop .
 
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VR8 said:
vorga, it doesn't take #105 very long to work it's magic. I "usually" find that after spreading the product on a slow speed, then turn it up to 5/6, I only have to make two passes in my 18"X18" square. Unfortunately #105 is likely to dust quite a bit. The Quick Detailer is fine to remove dust, I use Meg's Last Touch.

Try shrinking your work space a little. 2'X2' sounds a little large. Then definately try your #205 to bring out that little extra depth, shine and clarity. But make sure you've cleared most of your swirls with the #105 first. A second pass with #105 isn't unheard of if you're scratched heavily.

A finish coat of wax or sealant is a must.
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Have you looked into the Kevin Brown Method on using 105?
 
Rsurfer said:
Have you looked into the Kevin Brown Method on using 105?
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Yes i did the KBM method and it work alittle better but still drying up quickly and loading the pad to the point the velcro had 105 on it once the pad was removed and 105 was still drying out . I was also useing 3 orange ccs pads not just 1 so once 1 was dirty and loaded up i would switch to the next pad . Dont get me wrong 105 did a great job it was just really hard to work with . working time was around 20-30 sec and then it would dry out and be really hard to remove with out spraying it down and even then it took some effort to remove . 205 seemed to have about 1 min of working time mabe more and much less effort to remove .
The best way to describe how 105 was working is to say it was like useing it in the sun in the middle of summer.
 
vorga said:
Yes i did the KBM method and it work alittle better but still drying up quickly and loading the pad to the point the velcro had 105 on it once the pad was removed and 105 was still drying out . I was also useing 3 orange ccs pads not just 1 so once 1 was dirty and loaded up i would switch to the next pad . Dont get me wrong 105 did a great job it was just really hard to work with . working time was around 20-30 sec and then it would dry out and be really hard to remove with out spraying it down and even then it took some effort to remove . 205 seemed to have about 1 min of working time mabe more and much less effort to remove .
The best way to describe how 105 was working is to say it was like useing it in the sun in the middle of summer.
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Be sure all the pores on the pad is filled with 105 and do a smaller area at a time.
 
I just got finished with my Black Yukon and I had what sound like the same problem as you are having. tried different pads , smaller area and nothing helped but using the QD to get it off. Temp inside the garage was about 70 and i moved the lights back some thinking it was the heat. Im thinking bad bottle? Also not to hijack the thread but I got the POP with the red LC pad and 105 on 5-6. I still have very rew RIDs but its a DD and looks awsome. Posting pics in another threat.
 
I use the KBM with the 105 and have had some of the same issues you are having.
When working with the 105, I always keep something next to me to strip it off with completely. The last time I used it my choice was 91% IPA thanks to Rsurfer. Worked good. It is nearly impossible to remove all the 105 with just a dry microfiber wipe though.

It does dry very quickly. It is definitely a product that has a learning curve.

DLB
 
For those that are having problems with 105 drying out, are you using a DA with the DA formula 105? The older version was for rotary use. What machines are you using? Newer PCXP, G110v2, Griot or Flex 3401
 
Rsurfer said:
For those that are having problems with 105 drying out, are you using a DA with the DA formula 105? The older version was for rotary use. What machines are you using? Newer PCXP, G110v2, Griot or Flex 3401
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105 DA formula PCXP CCS pads
 
It sounds like you guys are using too much product. If the pad is primed correctly you can work the heck out of 105 with a da. Try working on priming the pad correctly with product, plus you go through alot of pads doing it this way, so have plenty of clean pads on hand.
 
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