128 Bottles of Wheel Cleaner for $32.99

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So, most of us maintain (clean) our wheels on a regular basis. A lot of us have also done things like install low dust brake pads and have coated our wheels. With these practices, frequent use of more potent cleaners like Iron X (and similar) or Wheel Bright (and other strong acids/bases) is unnecessary.

So, for routine cleaning we are often using some type of surfactant style wheel cleaner. My go to "surfactant wheel cleaner" was CG's Sticky Wheel Cleaner, until I recently found out it had sodium metasillicate and sodium hydroxide in it - make it a basic wheel cleaner. What pH it is when diluted correctly (1:5) or how much of these ingredients is in this cleaner is unknown buy me.

I'm not afraid of the chemicals per se causing damage, I just think in my case I don't need to use them. As, my wheels are coated and I have low dust pads. So, I've played around with using car wash soaps as wheel cleaners before - but none of them really impressed me.

Until I tried Chemical Guys Citrus Red as a wheel cleaner.

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The way I'm using it is at about 1:32 in a spray bottle with a foaming sprayer, like you would any other regular wheel cleaner. This means, for $32.99 one could make 128 thirty two oz bottles of surfactant wheel cleaner. Yes, 128 bottles. Not including water, that comes out to about 26¢ for a 32oz bottle of wheel cleaner.

So, it's cheap... But how does it work? It works awesome. In fact, I really can't notice any difference between using this mixture and CG's Sticky Wheel Cleaner at 1:5. It also works good at cleaning all the things you would use an APC for outside the car, like mud flaps, running boards, etc... I didn't do this to save money, but to try to come up with a possibly gentler way to clean my wheels.

CG's doesn't post their MSDSs. Last time I tried to get one from them, it was a huge hassle. They wanted to see my receipt for the product I bought (from AG), which I had long threw in the garbage. So, I'm guessing (but don't know for sure), that the Citrus Red Shampoo doesn't have these basic chemicals in it.

Give it a try.

What do you all think?
 
So, most of us maintain (clean) our wheels on a regular basis. A lot of us have also done things like install low dust brake pads and have coated our wheels. With these practices, frequent use of more potent cleaners like Iron X (and similar) or Wheel Bright (and other strong acids/bases) is unnecessary.

So, for routine cleaning we are often using some type of surfactant style wheel cleaner. My go to "surfactant wheel cleaner" was CG's Sticky Wheel Cleaner, until I recently found out it had sodium metasillicate and sodium hydroxide in it - make it a basic wheel cleaner. What pH it is when diluted correctly (1:5) or how much of these ingredients is in this cleaner is unknown buy me.

I'm not afraid of the chemicals per se causing damage, I just think in my case I don't need to use them. As, my wheels are coated and I have low dust pads. So, I've played around with using car wash soaps as wheel cleaners before - but none of them really impressed me.

Until I tried Chemical Guys Citrus Red as a wheel cleaner.

7u8azusu.jpg


The way I'm using it is at about 1:32 in a spray bottle with a foaming sprayer, like you would any other regular wheel cleaner. This means, for $32.99 one could make 128 thirty two oz bottles of surfactant wheel cleaner. Yes, 128 bottles. Not including water, that comes out to about 26¢ for a 32oz bottle of wheel cleaner.

So, it's cheap... But how does it work? It works awesome. In fact, I really can't notice any difference between using this mixture and CG's Sticky Wheel Cleaner at 1:5. It also works good at cleaning all the things you would use an APC for outside the car, like mud flaps, running boards, etc... I didn't do this to save money, but to try to come up with a possibly gentler way to clean my wheels.

CG's doesn't post their MSDSs. Last time I tried to get one from them, it was a huge hassle. They wanted to see my receipt for the product I bought (from AG), which I had long threw in the garbage. So, I'm guessing (but don't know for sure), that the Citrus Red Shampoo doesn't have these basic chemicals in it.

Give it a try.

What do you all think?

Looks like a good idea. I have used car wash as wheel cleaner before, works better than expected.
On another note, I read here that companies have to post msds? what is chemical guys deal with not giving it to you?
 
Thanks for sharing your discovery I will try this tomorrow though ill mix it up tonight, and ill chime back in to tell you how it worked out
 
Looks like a good idea. I have used car wash as wheel cleaner before, works better than expected.
On another note, I read here that companies have to post msds? what is chemical guys deal with not giving it to you?

Nope. They don't have to release MSDSs to consumers for certain (most) detailing products. Try getting one from AG for their house brands. At least I did, and could not get it. I believe it's something along the lines of .... if the product is meant for a consumer and considered relatively safe - they don't HAVE to give it to you. Now if your a business, and the product is meant for (or can be used primarily for) "professional use" - I believe they have to make it available.

I eventually DID get the MSDS I was looking for from CGs, after emailing them a screen shot of my online receipt from AG to prove I purchased the item. Still there was quite a lag. If there was a poisoning from said CG's product - the poisoned person likely would have already dropped dead.

This is just my understanding of it and my experience.
 
Great tip.

I use CG Bug Tar wash for the same purpose, on same foaming sprayer... A very little goes a looong way, and recently I've got it by the gallon.


I may use degreaser at some level, also iron x for prep, I follow to the last cleaning with the soap told above.

For maintenance, I'm sticking with the soap method you stated (just different soap). Basically, I coat every wheel I thorough clean because I just want to do the 'hard wheel work' once.

Too bad I can't get Citrus Red in Brazil, CG doesn't sell to us anymore, and AG won't sell CG internationally.

Brazilian CG distributors only get jetseal and the MF apron... hahahah

Kind Regards.
 
Finding the right dilution ratio can be a challenge though the one you suggested works pretty good, I would consider this more of a maintenance wheel cleaner that will vary in results depending upon what car wash soap you will use once again thanks for sharing
 
I have the smaller bottle of this. Used it to pre clean the paint before polishing with amigo. It did leave a squeaky clean finish.
 
Thanks a lot for the idea! I use Red Citrus Wash and the Citrus Wash & Gloss almost 100% of the time on clients' vehicles, and have gallons left right now. I have used the CG Bug/Tar wash as a spray before to pre-treat problematic panels, but as a wheel cleaner I've never tried the Red Citrus.

Do you find that the foaming spray-nozzle is a must, and credit it for the success of the wash for the wheel cleaning abilities?

Also, it's a 50/50 mix of my customers when it comes to their vehicles -- some are maintained very well, and some are neglected and have a great deal of aggregated residue and brake dust etc. baked on to the wheels... would this approach be potent or aggressive enough for those situations, or would that still require T.R.I.X or one of the now countless other iron activated 'purple' cleaners? Thanks! :)
 
Without MSDS or product in hand, it is hard to comment. What I will say is that, if you are a professional, the refusal to supply an MSDS should almost be an automatic signal to stop using the product.

In Europe (and my understanding is that it is not dissimilar in the US), a supplier is OBLIGATED to make an MSDS available to any user, if the product has any hazard associated. If there is no hazard, the supplier is again OBLIGATED to make the MSDS available to a professional user. In Europe, professional users are likewise OBLIGATED to carry out risk assessments of their work (of course many 'pro' detailers aren't sufficiently 'pro' to realise this). In order to do this, the MSDS are thus required. In the EU, if a supplier refuses you an MSDS, you should approach the local Health and Safety authority who will pursue the supplier and will go as far as closing them down if they fail to comply.

In reality, failure to provide an MSDS demonstrates that a company has a real failing in their grasp of the regulations. Certainly it is my concern that if one aspect of generic chemical supply is done incorrectly, there may well be other questionable things going on which are less visible. Hence I re-iterate, if your chemical supplier refuses you an MSDS, you should do your bit for the industry, report the supplier to the relevant authority and vote with your feet and buy elsewhere (at least until they demonstrate the necessary competence). If detailers actually did this, we would have much fewer issues!!
 
I have this one hand will have to give it a shot. By foaming sprayer are you referring to a hand pump sprayer like a Venus pro or just a old wheel cleaner bottle?
 
Foaming sprayer is CG's The Duck sprayer on a regular bottle.
 
I would assume this would not be a good wheel cleaner for those that seal/wax their wheels vs. a coating? The dilution you are using is 4x the 1oz./gal recommended for a bucket wash strip.

Since I started sealing my wheels, I use DG901 diluted at 1:64 in a sprayer for maintenance washes so I don't strip the sealant. I use either BF All Metal Sealant or Coll 845.

Sounds like CW Red is perfect for cleaning coated wheels or for a customer car that has neglected wheels where you don't want to use a more expensive product like Sonax FE (like if the customer has only requested a "basic" exterior or something like that).

Thoughts?
 
Thanks a lot for the idea! I use Red Citrus Wash and the Citrus Wash & Gloss almost 100% of the time on clients' vehicles, and have gallons left right now. I have used the CG Bug/Tar wash as a spray before to pre-treat problematic panels, but as a wheel cleaner I've never tried the Red Citrus.

Do you find that the foaming spray-nozzle is a must, and credit it for the success of the wash for the wheel cleaning abilities?

Also, it's a 50/50 mix of my customers when it comes to their vehicles -- some are maintained very well, and some are neglected and have a great deal of aggregated residue and brake dust etc. baked on to the wheels... would this approach be potent or aggressive enough for those situations, or would that still require T.R.I.X or one of the now countless other iron activated 'purple' cleaners? Thanks! :)

Bump :)
 
I've done pretty much the same thing, only recently I switched to Citrus Wash & Gloss rather than the Citrus Wash. While I initially started with Citrus Wash (Red), I figured that if W&G did have gloss agents, I wouldn't mind them on the wheels. I found W&G to foam better than Red, and thus be better on the wheels. I am using the CG Duck foaming sprayer, which throws a ton of product, in my experience.

I had quite a few CG MSDS that I can try to find and post. If I remember correctly, there wasn't anything that caught my eye, in a negative way, with any of these soaps. I do know that the only CG wheel cleaner I use is Diablo, and the MSDS confirms it is a neutral detergent at full strength.
 
Just used Citrus Red in my foam cannon today @2oz and WOW did that foam stick to the paint, the dwell was easily 5 min or more I lost track of time from talking. Ill have to try this wheel cleaner mix sounds inexpensive!
 
I mix Meg's Super Degreaser 5:1 + Citrus Red as my wheel/well/prespray and it works awesome in my Solo Pump Sprayer. I find strong soap + safe dwelling really cuts down on the more expensive chemicals.
 
I wonder why the red is not on chemical guys web site.
 
Here is the MSDS for Red. So kind of Adios S6 to send it to me. It does have some NaOH in it, but I'm guessing not too much.

Here is the MSDS for Red. So kind of Adios S6 to send it to me. It does have some NaOH in it, but I'm guessing not too much.

MSDS Material Safety Data Sheet
CITRAWASH
In accordance with directive 91/155/EC (Amended as 93/112/EC) Revision Date: 9/24/12
Page 1 of 4
Section 1:
Identification of the substance and manufacture
Product Name: CITRAWASH
Product Use: Automotive Detailing
Manufacturer:
Chemical Guys
3915 W. 102nd Street
Inglewood, CA 90303
Telephone Number: 310.674.8135
FAX Number: 310.988.1061
E-mail: [email protected]
Web: www.ChemicalGuys.com
Section 2:
Composition / Information on Ingredients
CAS # / EC #
Percent
Chemical Name
Haz. Symbol / R Phrases
1310-73-2 / 215-185-5
<2%
Sodium Hydroxide
T, Xn / R45,R46, R65
27176-87-0 / 248-289-4
15 – 35%
Dodecylbenzen
Xi* / R36*
68585-34-2 / 231-598-3
1 - 15%
Sodium Lauryl Ether
Xi* / R36*
Proprietary Blend
0.3%
Dye
Xi; R36/38
Proprietary Blend
0.20%
Fragrance
Xi; R36/38
55-70%
Water
NA
* Self-Classified

Section 3:
Hazard Identification
Route of Entry: See Below
Target Organs: No Information
Inhalation: May cause mild irritation.
Skin Contact: May Cause mild irritation.
Eye Contact: May cause irritation.
Ingestion: May cause irritation to the mucous membranes.
HMIS II-ratins (scale 0-4): Health =1, Fire = 0, Reactivity = 0
HMIS Rating H1/FO/PHO
NFPA – ratings (scale 0-4): Health = 1, Fire = 0, Reactivity = 0
Section 4:
First Aid Measures
Inhalation: If breathing is difficult or irritating, move to fresh air immediately. If symptoms persist, get medical attention.
Skin Contact: Rinse area with soap and water. Seek medical attention if any redness or irritation persists.
Eye Contact: Flush immediately with large amounts of clean water for a minimum of 15 minutes, lifting upper and lower lids occasionally. Do not rub eyes. If any irritation persists, seek medical attention.
Ingestion: If the person is conscious, give two glasses of water to dilute the ingested material. Small amounts that may have accidentally entered the mouth should be rinsed out thoroughly with water. Seek medical attention immediately.
MSDS Material Safety Data sheet
CITRAWASH
In accordance with directive 91/155/EC (Amended as 93/112/EC) Revision Date: 9/24/12
Page 2 of 4
Section 5:
Fire Fighting Measures
Flash Point: N/A
Flash Point Method: Closed Cup
Burning Rate: N/A
Auto Ignition Temperature: N/A
LEL: N/A
UEL: N/A
Flammability Classification: Non – Flammable
Section 6:
Accidental Release Measures
Contain large spills with dikes to prevent entry to waterways and sanitary sewers and transfer the material to appropriate containers for reclamation or disposal. Absorb/trap remaining material or small spills with inert material (dirt, sand, industrial absorbent) and then place in chemical waste containers. Flush residual spill area with large amounts of water. Dispose of all clean up materials in accordance with all applicable federal, state, and local health and environmental regulations.
Section 7:
Handling and Storage
Handling Precautions: Wear proper Personal Protective Equipment when handling.
Storage Requirements: Do not store in direct sunlight. Keep away from children. Keep containers tightly closed.
PROCEDURE FOR HANDLING
- Avoid contact with eyes.
- Wash and dry hands after using.
- Use good occupational work practices.
- Avoid physical damage to containers.
SUITABLE CONTAINER
- Packaging as recommended by manufacturer.
- Check all containers are clearly labeled and free from leaks.
STORAGE REQUIREMENTS
- Store in original containers.
- Keep containers securely sealed.
- No smoking, naked lights or ignition sources.
- Store in a cool, dry, well-ventilated area.
Section 8:
Exposure Controls / Personal Protection
Engineering Controls: No Hazard
Protective Equipment: HMIS PP, A / Goggles
Safety glasses or goggles recommended.
Exposure Guidelines/other: None
MSDS Material Safety Data sheet
CITRAWASH
In accordance with directive 91/155/EC (Amended as 93/112/EC) Revision Date: 9/24/12
Page 3 of 4
Section 9:
Physical and Chemical Properties
Appearance: Orange Clear Boiling Point: 212F
Physical state: Liquid Soap Freezing: approx. 32 F
Odor: Citrus Fruit Scent Solubility: Soluble in water
pH: 8 Spec. Grav. / Density: 8.5 lbs/gal.
Vapor Pressure: No available data
Vapor Density: No available data
Section 10:
Stability and Reactivity
Stability: Yes
Conditions to avoid: None Known
Materials to avoid: Strong Oxidizers.
Hazardous Decomposition: Will not occur.
Hazardous Polymerization: Will not occur.
Section 11:
Toxicological Information
Component Information
Additional Information: The product is not subject to classification according to the calculation method of the
General EC Classification Guidelines for Preparations as issued in the latest version. When used and handled according to specifications, the product does not have any harmful effects according to our experience and the information provided to us.
Section 12:
Ecological Information
Ecotoxicity effects: This product has no known eco-toxicological effects.
Section 13:
Disposal Consideration
Dispose of in accordance with local, state, and federal regulations.
Section 14:
Transportation Information
Handling Precautions: Wear proper Personal Protective Equipment when handling.
Storage Requirements: Do not store in direct sunlight. Keep away from children. Keep containers tightly closed.
PROCEDURE FOR HANDLING
- Avoid contact with eyes.
- Wash and dry hands after using.
- Use good occupational work practices.
- Avoid physical damage to containers.
SUITABLE CONTAINER
- Packaging as recommended by manufacturer.
- Check all containers are clearly labeled and free from leaks.
STORAGE REQUIREMENTS
- Store in original containers.
- Keep containers securely sealed.
- No smoking, naked lights or ignition sources.
- Store in a cool, dry, well-ventilated area.
MSDS Material Safety Data sheet
CITRAWASH
In accordance with directive 91/155/EC (Amended as 93/112/EC) Revision Date: 9/24/12
Page 4 of 4
Section 15:
Regulatory Information
CHIP 3Compliance
Xi - Irritant
R 36 - Irritating to eyes.
S1/2 – Keep locked up and out of the reach of children
S25- Avoid contact with eyes.
S39 - Wear eye/face protection.
S62- If swallowed, do not induce vomiting: seek medical advice immediately and show this container or label.
Section 16:
Other Information
The information contained herein is based on data considered to be accurate. However, the information is provided without any warranty, Expressed or implied, regarding its correctness. The conditions or methods of handling, storage, use and disposal of the product are beyond our control and may be beyond our knowledge. For this and other reasons, we do not assume responsibility and expressly disclaim liability for loss, damage or expense arising out of or in any way connected with handling, storage, use or disposal of the product.



OK. Bob, tell us how this product is killing us and ruining our cars.
 
OK. Bob, tell us how this product is killing us and ruining our cars.
Speaking of "killing and ruining":
I'd rather focus on your current avatar (as of 04/09/2014).

IMHO:
Lauren Bacall was the embodiment/personification of:
"Femme Fatale"

Bob
 
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