1979 Trans Am - all original SS paint questions

[lane5515]

Hi Mike - the next job I have lined up is an all original 1979 Trans Am. I'm excited for the opportunity but have a couple questions for you before I begin the process.

Here is my plan for the paint:
1. Rinseless Wash
2. Clay with real clay bar, not a clay mitt or towel.
3. #7 Rub down - as many rounds as it takes. I've read your articles but never completed this technique before. Should be interesting.
4. Measure the paint with PTG
5. Machine polish to remove imperfections. Use the least aggressive polish/pad combo that can remove swirls and scratches, I'm not going to chase any rids.
6. Polish again if needed with fine polish and finishing pad
7. Seal and Wax

My questions are regarding the large hood decal and what appears to be cracking on the front bumper.

How should I treat the hood decal? Can it be clayed and polished or should I tape it off and go around it?

The cracking on the bumper - I tried to blow up the picture so you can see it. How would you tackle this area?

If you have any suggestions that would improve the process I shared above please let me know. Thanks for your time, I look forward to your response.

 

[DETAILROOKIE]

I have an 81 Bandit and have gone over the decal very gently with a light polish and HD Speed, but have never tackled a cracked bumper like that. Itll be interesting to find out how to do that.

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[Setec Astronomy]

Man that thing is in incredible shape, the bumper color matches perfectly, it looks like. Usually those fade.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

My questions are regarding the large hood decal and what appears to be cracking on the front bumper.

How should I treat the hood decal? Can it be clayed and polished or should I tape it off and go around it?

When I buffed out the ORIGINAL PAINT and original graphic on the 1978 Trans Am on the cover of my RUPES how-to book, I don't remember claying the graphic, (maybe I did but I don't remember), I did clay the paint. I think you could clay the graphic as long as you were uber careful and used an ultra fine grade clay with a good slippery lube. The idea being to remove any contamination without scratching or marring the graphic.

The black paint surrounding the graphic was WHITE with oxidation. I remember going up on edge with the RUPES Bigfoot 21 and compounding off all the white oxidized paint with about 3/4" of RUPES green foam pad. That was tedious but worked perfectly.

Then I machine polished the Rising Phoenix with the RUPES Bigfoot 21 and the RUPES 7" ultra soft white foam finishing pad and the RUPES Diamond White Ultra Fine Polish. This combo was VERY safe and it removed the same amount of years of oxidation off the antique vinyl graphic to reveal a VIBRANT and colorful Rising Phoenix.

You can see the Rising Phoenix on the cover and in the book and I know I have lots of before and after pictures of this buff-out somewhere. I'd say the 3D HD Speed would also be a safe choice with a soft polishing pad and a free spinning polisher. Just use a careful touch and be very careful around the TIPS of the feathers and other edges.

The cracking on the bumper - I tried to blow up the picture so you can see it. How would you tackle this area?

Zero you can do about the cracking but I've had good luck buffing this type of urethane component using foam pads on orbital polishers to bring the paint back to life. Again, just be careful.

If you have any suggestions that would improve the process I shared above please let me know.

Thanks for your time, I look forward to your response.

I think you have a great process outlined.

Me?

I'd document the hell out of the before condition. I have an article on capturing the before pictures for projects like these because after you do the work you can never go back in time and get the before pictures.


Looks like a fun project, I'm looking forward to your write-up.


:dblthumb2:

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Just to note...


The guy that owns the Trans Am on the cover of my book, Mark Lewis, he called me the other day ago. He met with Burt Reynolds and had Burt sign the visor and the glove box on his car. In June, there's going to be a "Bandit Run" taking place here in Florida for a large club of Trans Am Bandit owners. He's going to join the Bandit Run with his Trans Am and I told him if he brings his Trans Am back to Autogeek I'd freshen it up for him. It's been a few years since I did the extreme makeover and I'm sure antique single stage paint could use a touch-up by now. Probably take place in the next few weeks.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

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Hi Lane,

I dug up the original write-up I did showing the before and after condition of the all original paint 1978 Trans-Am I detailed a few years ago for Mark Lewis. Here's the link,


Rupes and Antique Single Stage Oxidized Paint


Here's how the paint started out and keep in mind - if the paint was so oxidized that it literally turned white - the vinyl graphics were just as deteriorated.

Note the paint I'm pointing to and the paint next to the graphics is white. It's really single stage black paint. It has turned white from years of oxidation.

I feel very comfortable using 21mm long stroke free spinning polishers on antique and even new vinyl graphics as long as the abrasive technology is top notch. And of course, use a super soft foam finishing pad and a light touch.

This car will be here in the next few weeks for a warm-over for the Bandit Run.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Wow Mike, what a huge difference! When I first looked at those pictures, I guess I've seen too much clearcoat failure, because I said to myself "you can't fix that!"

And then the next thought was...that I had a 70's car where the paint looked like that at the time I got rid of it in the 90's (different color), and that if I knew what I know now, I could have shined it right up! Thanks for the lacquer lesson!

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Wow Mike, what a huge difference! When I first looked at those pictures, I guess I've seen too much clearcoat failure, because I said to myself "you can't fix that!"

And then the next thought was...that I had a 70's car where the paint looked like that at the time I got rid of it in the 90's (different color), and that if I knew what I know now, I could have shined it right up! Thanks for the lacquer lesson!

It was a LOT of work. To get the 7" RUPES Green Foam pad on the RUPES BigFoot 21 --> on the paint right next to the edge of the graphics

I had to go up on edge and force the pad to reverse rotate. Like I share in all my classes.


Here's Louise demonstrating the technique at the September 2017 3-day detailing class for all you big strong guys!

End results...

Somewhere I have all the pictures from the Trans-Am detail. Hard to get everything posted.

 

[minirips2]

Dang, that Mustang looks fine! Hey, Mike, do you have any videos posted showing the edge riding technique? I have a similar body line on the hood of my car, and I was pondering how to approach it without being too aggressive.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

It was a LOT of work. To get the 7" RUPES Green Foam pad on the RUPES BigFoot 21 --> on the paint right next to the edge of the graphics

I had to go up on edge and force the pad to reverse rotate. Like I share in all my classes.

Wow, I can't even wrap my head around doing that with a long-stroke machine at all, let alone what you are describing...just learning that technique by itself sounds like a reason to attend one of your classes.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Wow, I can't even wrap my head around doing that with a long-stroke machine at all, let alone what you are describing...just learning that technique by itself sounds like a reason to attend one of your classes.

You know, I'd say most people "think" the people that attend our classes are "detailers".

Yet Louise, cam all the way from California simply to learn how to work on her daily driver, a 2014 Mustang Convertible.

If she can do it.... anyone can do it.


Tip: Look at how she's holding the tools and... her concentration.

 

[lane5515]

I started working on the Trans Am yesterday. The car was washed, clayed and rubbed down with #7 three times. The last round of the #7 rub down I left it on overnight and wiped it off this morning. I've noticed some "ghosting" in the paint (not sure what to call it) where it looks black.

I'm wondering if this is the base coat/primer starting to show through? I tried to capture some of the areas in the pictures below. I'm thinking the best route to go is with a cleaner wax such as Blackfire One Step or HD Speed with a soft finishing pad. Please let me know what you think about the paint condition from the photos and advise the best way to proceed.

Thanks!

 

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