2010 Trans Am Concept Car...wow

To the OP, more of the "Trans Am" cars were present than Camaro's at SEMA. One of my favorite's at the show was the Challenger Autogeek had in their booth.
 
Yeah I figured it was a mod thanks for the post. 78 prob my favorite body style
 
This car bugs me because its a Camaro. Nothing wrong with Camaros but if you look back at the last generation of Camaros and Firebirds, the Firebird looks much different although they share the same F-body style. My girlfriends 98 Firebird still looks great to this day with nice body lines and styling. I almost feel like if the Firebird is going to come back they should either A.) completely re-design it so that it doesn't look like a Camaro. Or B.) Model it after the G8
 
gumball said:
The Trans Am was ALWAYS the same as a Camaro,why would this one be any different?
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Exactly.

Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
If I were to get a Trans Am I would get a classic though... just like Burt Reynolds drove...
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I agree, the classic/iconic Trans Am is to me the Bandit era with the screaming chicken on the hood, before they wrecked it with the droop-snoot.

Although I have to tell a Firebird story...it's Sept. 81 and my friend and I are out on a local highway chock full of stores...we're waiting to pull out into traffic and this swoopy red car drives by, we think it must be some sort of new Ferrari, so we try to catch up to it in traffic, just as it's turning into...the GM training center. We follow it in and read on the back "Firebird" (the car was the new '82 there pre-intro for dealer training). We were pretty up on our exotic cars back then so it took a lot to impress us, although I think I grew to like the Z-28 better in the 80's.
 
most of the parts on the camaro and the firebird are interchangeable, at least in the 93-02 models. I owned a 1997 t/a ws6 as my first car and I loved it. However, my experience with newer model GM's has been negative. Although it's a mean looking car, I wouldn't buy it if it were available.


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2011 302 boss... :)
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I've always thought that the Pontiac brand was kind of unnecessary for GM, but I did like a few of the cars they came out with. I thought the G8 was especially nice. I also really liked KITT.

Saturn was cool when they first came out, but until they came out with the Sky, it was quite obvious with the mediocre products coming out that GM was not giving Saturn enough attention or money for research. I was really hoping the deal with Penske would come through, but I wasn't at all surprised when it fell through.
 
termigator said:
I've always thought that the Pontiac brand was kind of unnecessary for GM, but I did like a few of the cars they came out with.
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Funny, I always thought it was Oldsmobile or Buick that was unnecessary. You would get arguments about where they fit in the Chevy/Pontiac/Olds/Buick/Cadillac hierarchy (was it Olds/Buick or Buick/Olds?) and (in my adult lifetime) they never seemed to be sure exactly who they were...they were both purveyors of soft, slow cars targeted to soft, slow, middle-aged and up customers...

Then in the '80's Lloyd Reuss decided that every Buick should have a "Euro" influenced T-Type, and by the 90's Olds had a "Touring Sedan" and perhaps other Touring models along the same lines. Conversely, you never wondered about who Chevy or Pontiac were. Another division I thought was unnecessary was GMC, which was just a way for non-Chevy dealers to sell Chevy trucks.

termigator said:
Saturn was cool when they first came out, but until they came out with the Sky, it was quite obvious with the mediocre products coming out that GM was not giving Saturn enough attention
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Eh...the problem with Saturn was that Roger Smith created them as the anti-GM, and stipulated that they share no parts with the corporate GM parts-bin. They also got to use the unique RIM panel/space frame technology from the Fiero. But after a while, they just got sucked into the corporate quicksand, and became just another GM division with the same platforms and some different sheetmetal.
 
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Funny that you post this car, the car was right next to us at SEMA last year, and we lent them some Pinnacle Souveran to make it shine. If you look close in the upper left corner you will see Bobby working the Wolfgang booth.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Funny, I always thought it was Oldsmobile or Buick that was unnecessary. You would get arguments about where they fit in the Chevy/Pontiac/Olds/Buick/Cadillac hierarchy (was it Olds/Buick or Buick/Olds?) and (in my adult lifetime) they never seemed to be sure exactly who they were...they were both purveyors of soft, slow cars targeted to soft, slow, middle-aged and up customers...

Then in the '80's Lloyd Reuss decided that every Buick should have a "Euro" influenced T-Type, and by the 90's Olds had a "Touring Sedan" and perhaps other Touring models along the same lines. Conversely, you never wondered about who Chevy or Pontiac were. Another division I thought was unnecessary was GMC, which was just a way for non-Chevy dealers to sell Chevy trucks.



Eh...the problem with Saturn was that Roger Smith created them as the anti-GM, and stipulated that they share no parts with the corporate GM parts-bin. They also got to use the unique RIM panel/space frame technology from the Fiero. But after a while, they just got sucked into the corporate quicksand, and became just another GM division with the same platforms and some different sheetmetal.
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I always thought Pontiac was unnecessary because it just seemed like they were just Chevrolets with different badges and body cladding. It didn't really offer any meaningful upgrades compared to Chevy like Chevrolet. It just seemed like an alternative styling at the same price point. One thing I always thought was pretty stupid was the fact that the Firebird always seemed to have around 10 to 15 horses less than the comparable Camaro even though they had the same engines.
 
Well, we can of course differ on this, and our perspective may be from different eras, but to me Pontiacs and Chevys were a lot less alike than Buicks and Oldsmobiles. Chevy has always had to be more of an "everything to everybody" brand, from sports cars to work trucks to sedans to minivans. IMO Pontiac was pretty distinct in the 80's and 90's with their aircraft-inspired interiors with the red lighting, etc. Of course, they still both had to work with GM platforms and were limited to how much they could really change them from each other, but to address your point...they didn't even use the same platforms. In the 90's the large sedan was the RWD Caprice at Chevy while at Pontiac it was the FWD Bonneville, in the 00's it switched and the big Chevy was the FWD Impala while Pontiac had the RWD G8.

However, clearly GM had too much granularity to their product line, hence the trimming of divisions at the bankruptcy.
 
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