2013 Infiniti G37x Removing Swirls

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Hello Everyone

This is my first post on autogeek and I gotta say this website is amazing :xyxthumbs:

I'm looking to remove swirls on a new G37x, I will be using a Frex 3401, and really have no idea what to use for pads and product, that's why I came here for help.

Here are some pictures of what I'm dealing with.

The car is only 3 weeks old...although I did run it through the car wash twice.
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Here are the swirls, there's also some buffing tails too
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Here is the sticker under the hood
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I was thinking about picking up this bundle...Menzerna polishes for ceramic clear coat paint, Flex buffer, Nano polish, super intensive, Lake Country pads, Show car kit
 
M205/tangerine hydro tech pad on a gg 3rd gen @ 5-6 worked very well on my '12 g37xs in vibrant red.

Your swirls are several magnitudes heavier though, can't hurt to try the combo I used .
 
That sticker and those swirls...

I have to ask: What is the point of the hard/ceramic clear coats if they still swirl up like that?

I imagine things would be much worse if the clear was softer, but still...
 
Ceramic clear is an over engineered paint system and is just as scratch sensitive as an other clear coat paints I have worked on. The worst thing about it is that there very hard to correct down also. I suggest fg 400 or m101 for those seeking a good correction.
 
I don't think Infiniti uses ceramic clear. And as he stated he used m205 on his paint. M205 would do nothing on ceramic clear
 
M205/tangerine hydro tech pad on a gg 3rd gen @ 5-6 worked very well on my '12 g37xs in vibrant red.

Your swirls are several magnitudes heavier though, can't hurt to try the combo I used .

I wonder if M205 will be enough? Maybe M105 with a orange pad?

That sticker and those swirls...

I have to ask: What is the point of the hard/ceramic clear coats if they still swirl up like that?

Believe me I'm not happy at all, I'd bring it back to the dealer but I have a feeling there just gonna induce more buffer tails.
 
The best thing you can do is search your car make and models paint hardness and I'm sure you can catch some post of polish and pads combos people have used.
 
as mentioned my swirls were not like those, but noticeable under the brinkmann, I think as easily as the tang/m205 removed mine it would work here with a bit longer work time.

I probably could have spent more time on mine with white and gotten the same results.
 
I wonder if M205 will be enough? Maybe M105 with a orange pad?



Believe me I'm not happy at all, I'd bring it back to the dealer but I have a feeling there just gonna induce more buffer tails.

My dealer wanted to take it back down and have them 'detail' the car again as they brought it to the delivery spaces in bright sunlight and there were swirls everywhere. I politely declined and went home and used D300/MF cutting pad and a few hours of my time. That was last September, 4 washes later and the 'hard clear' needed some cleanup this last week. I need to brush up on my wash techniques too.
 
I wonder if M205 will be enough? Maybe M105 with a orange pad?



Believe me I'm not happy at all, I'd bring it back to the dealer but I have a feeling there just gonna induce more buffer tails.


trry m205/orange/tang FIRST. If the orange/205 doesn't get you where you want, I'd recommend D300/MF cutting or if you know how to work 105 without it being a pain for a new person like me, try that!
 
Ceramic clear is an over engineered paint system and is just as scratch sensitive as an other clear coat paints I have worked on. The worst thing about it is that there very hard to correct down also. I suggest fg 400 or m101 for those seeking a good correction.

disagree with you on that.. they are much much less scratch and swirl sensitive. I don't think you have worked on soft paint

I would like to point out that Infinitis do not have a hard ceramiclear.

I have owned a G37x and a Black FX50s

Japanese paint systems are actually quite soft.

To get the swirls out of that use PF2500 on an orange pad and SF4500 on a white pad.

Thats all my FX took to correct
 
disagree with you on that.. they are much much less scratch and swirl sensitive. I don't think you have worked on soft paint

I would like to point out that Infinitis do not have a hard ceramiclear.

I have owned a G37x and a Black FX50s

Japanese paint systems are actually quite soft.

To get the swirls out of that use PF2500 on an orange pad and SF4500 on a white pad.

Thats all my FX took to correct

:iagree:100%. PF2500 and orange pad will do wonders on that paint. I used it on a 2012 Black G37. And finished it off with either SF4000 or SF4500 on white. Got rid of 85%, leaving only deeper stuff that I spot polished with FG400.
 
Subscribed. I tried to get the swirls/scratches out of my 2012 nissan murano yesterday to no avail. I was using chemical guys v36 with an orange lake country pad on a PC. and although it did remove some of the haze and some scratches there is a LOT left over. I went out and grabbed m205 today and will try It hopefully in a week or two.

Oh by the way hello! Since this is my first post but I've been lurking for months now.
 
This is not ceramic clear ! Infiniti clear is very soft. I have no problem correcting paint with Manzerna SF 4000 or 2500 on some spots with Flex on my 2011 g37 with the same paint. Do it test spot and go from there but I think what You needed is 2500 and 4000-4500. Do not go to agressive. Good luck. :buffing:
 
First; :welcome: to AGO! :D

Holy JESUS!!! :eek: How in the world did the paint get THAT bad in 3 weeks? :rolleyes:

The car is only 3 weeks old...although I did run it through the car wash twice.


Looks like you need to change car washes!

You mentioned you will be using the Flex, or is it you plan on buying the Flex? :dunno:

Certainly a great tool to have, (although lately guys have been kicking it to the curb for the RUPES). ;) OTOH, you can likely do anything you need with the GG6 and save a ton-o-money for pads while doing it.

I don't agree with the statement that 205 won't help with your paint. Being a SMAT product it'll work harder from start to finish than the same grit in a DAT polish, (being as DAT starts wearing down the instant you start to use it). That being said, 205 IS NOT going to have enough cut to remove the problems you have. Neither will ANY polish. It's hard to call those craters 'swirls', that looks deep enough to plant corn in! :laughing:

I cannot speak to working with the Flex, so I'll reserve that part for those that have. If there have NEVER been anything else said that one should listen to here (on AG) it would be DO YOUR TEST SPOT!
Take that one idea and do this.... :bash: knock it DEEP into your inner psyche. ;)

Speaking from a GG persepective, looking at your photos I'd start with M101 or D300.
I worked on a Lexus last weekend that wasn't quite that bad, but it was pretty freaking bad. I pulled out M205, Ultimate Compound, M101 and D300. Keep in mind that when doing a test spot you don't want to do th efull correction, but just TEST with the same amount of section passes, same speed, pad, etc. in order to figure out your 'starting' spot. Later you can adjust the amount of section passes to get the finish you desire.I always start on speed 4½ to speed 5, with 4 section passes on about a 16" square area.

Anyhow, taped of several test spots and tried the 205 with white then orange and yellow pads. Wasn't really doing what I needed.
Then did UC with orange & yellow, better but not good enough.
Did D300 with a Megs MF cutting pad, and the correction is almost as good as 101 but it is a LOT smoother, (like it has fillers in it). :dunno: I had just picked up the D300 kit and only have 2 cutting pads so I chose not to do the entire car with it. Picking up more pads Monday so I'll be freaking ready next time. ;)
Next was 101 with orange then yellow. Was thinking we could finish it down with the orange pad, and likely could have but it'd taken more time. (Flex can cut that time down though) Moved to the same 4 passes with the yellow and even the owners eyes lit up, looking pretty good now. :)

Bottom line is.... try several pads to figure out what is going to work. Also, you will need half a dozen (at least) of your main pads. Compounding not only gets pads dirty, but it heats them up. Even when they are not 'full' they will start to hold a lot of heat and the centers will start collapsing. It's possible to do a "clean on the fly" then pull one off and let it cool without throwing it in cleaner, but you cannot compound an entire car with 2~3 pads.

(Speaking of CCS, Flat etc.) Yellow, orange, white you'll need a lot of. The softer they get, the less you'll need but whatever you do, buy a lot of pads. Nothing is worse than having to wash and wait on pads to dry while trying to finish a car!

The MF pads and D300 with the finishing wax is a great system, fantastic 2-step that I see using quite a bit. Also 101 can be used with the MF pads and really lay down some cut, but it will show micro-marring (especially on black). Not a problem though as you'll always be moving to polishing anyhow. That's where the D300 really shines, literally! (IT SHINES!!!) ;)

With black paint, new user, I dunno though. I'd probably stay with foam pads for now. Get the least cut you can stand, with a measured number of section passes and go from there.

BTW, looking forward to seeing the recovery pics there when you get it done.:xyxthumbs:
 
I have worked on soft paint Porsches to be exact. That's my opinion. I have done two Audi s5s that were just as scratch sensitive.
 
To be exact that scratch sensitivity is what I am comparing.

audi s5 back fender before
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audi s5 back fender after
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