I watched the CHICAGO BROS video and he demonstrated the 303 Products Graphene outlasted them all after many washes and several harsh chemicals. It never had water rinsing go flat like the others. In fact, he said it was much better than his regular Go To top coat product.
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Saskquatch
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I actually want to hear your opinion more.
Desertnate
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I haven't had a chance to watch the video, but I had a surprisingly good experience with Elixr and the protection it adds compared to what others have said about Reload.
Short version of the story: Applied Elixr to bare panels of a vehicle which was also coated with CQuartz UK. After three weeks of daily driver duty and being parked outside in all manner of weather conditions in September, it was still beading up like the rest of the car wearing CQuartz. I was quite surprised. It was still going after being washed. Never expected that from the product, nor did I apply it looking for any meaningful protection.
OK. Back to the graphene discussion.
Me, too! 
The video was transparent as the test was done on film in real time without bias. I tried to buy some today but the website said it sold out in 24 hours. And CHICAGO code was offered in order to save five bucks (25%). I am on the waiting list for when it is available again. I like 303 protectant and hope this stuff will be good, too.
The video was transparent as the test was done on film in real time without bias. I tried to buy some today but the website said it sold out in 24 hours. And CHICAGO code was offered in order to save five bucks (25%). I am on the waiting list for when it is available again. I like 303 protectant and hope this stuff will be good, too.
dennis b
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So here's why I think this product is a meh. Graphene's are touted as being the future. 303 claims one year durability. I think it's grossly overstated. Making it through two washes and failing on the second application of chemicals (it made it through the D101 and looked mortally wounded after the Sonax wheel cleaner) is no better than any polymer that's been on the market for twenty years already or any Si02 spray on product that's been on the market for the last five years.
Even the Acrylic cocktail I use (40 year old technology, post #14) resists one application of APC. I spray Multi-x 10:1 on the center of my hood where the twin turbochargers super heat the hood and create water spots before I wash the car. The paint still beads after the application but the Acrylic cocktail doesn't have a chance of lasting a year. At best it goes a month before it sheets slowly and needs reapplication.
303 didn't reduce surface temp in the Chicago Auto Pro's video and last but not least it's going to ruin all your pricey microfiber towels. If it washes out of your towel it's a durability fail. If it permanently stains the towels it's also a fail.
Seems to me this product is just full of hype for the big box store market.
Honestly I really don't even have a beef with this product. It's just a blip on the radar that will disappear as fast as it appeared, just like the Si02 spray 303 introduced six or eight months ago. Who even talks about or uses that product?
Big box store hype for big box store customers.
BurnsDetailing
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^ Same sentiment here. I reached out to a certain name brand graphene coating to become an authorized installer for them, they called, we talked, said they would send me info and a free sample to try out on a panel. That was the last time I heard from them, nothing ever came and I took that as a sign. Given durability has been a huge concern with graphene, I'm glad I held out.
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Graphene is a wonderful product. However, I believe at this point the chemical technology/chemistry technology has not caught up. What's going on now is there is there isn't a way to cross-link it to itself in an effective manor, so it's being added or incorporated in to something to bond to something else. It's going to be years (in my opinion) before the real true use of graphene will be truly viable. Until then it's hype in my opinion. I relate this to the Createx paint brand that I use for airbrushing. 2013 they had a reducer that made their water-based paints act more closely to urethanes. Fast forward 7 years, they have a water-borne aliphatic clear coat that is buffable like an automotive clear coat. I'm not refuting the technology, but the chemistry has to be right before it should be unleashed on the mass market to match the claims.
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Do you know the ratio?
I have no idea.
Desertnate
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The discussion of the Graphene being added to products reminds me of a similar trend. Back in the early 2000's wasn't "Poly Charger" a thing? I seem to remember seeing products being advertised as having it added in and I think you could even get the "poly charger" product seperate to add to you own products. I believe it was designed to add durability, but don't remember much about it now.
The whole Graphene trend may come and go the same way.
The whole Graphene trend may come and go the same way.
dennis b
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Ironically the products that so far I've found work best on my car contain Polycharger. I use Ultima Acrylic waterless wash and Ultima Acrylic spray wax. Pretty tenacious products for my S. Fla car. I think ultimately it's because my go to soap Reset doesn't degrade them like other Si02 and polymer spray on products that fail prematurely for me.
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Skeptics always amuse me, as there is no burden of proof on your end.
I use the same Internet you do, and watched a video this morning with a chemist at 303. One of the questions was asked about the product washing out of the towel. And paraphrasing his response, “our product does not bond well with fabric...and during wipe off, there isn’t much product (graphene) being lifted off by the towel (microfiber)”.
So, should I just assume that he’s lying? I don’t know, it’s a neat looking product that costs 20 bucks. People probably laugh at Turtle Wax, yet aren’t aware that it’s one of the best valued auto care items you can buy. Products are continuously improving. These are the first releases of a new line by all these companies.
It was no coincidence that within a month, several companies debuted their graphene product line. The chemical became available for purchase , and they went to work whipping up stuff.
It would be great to know what is exactly is in each one.
If anything, it holds promise.
So instead of calling it hype, you could do your own testing. Like when I read comments, “they should do this and they should do that.”. Well, what’s stopping anyone of us from doing our own testing? But I get it, the Internet is full of negativity, and it’s just so easy to knock everything.
And there was no ill intention aimed towards you, but I read your comments repeatedly that you think it’s all hype.
The YouTube reviewers, a few of them, definitely overhype the product.
Every product they review is just, “so easy and amazing!!!”
That I completely agree with.
So your point was taken, this is my counterpoint.
dennis b
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I'm not going to even try this product. I tried Hybrid solutions ceramic spray and the Wet Wax and both were miserable performing products for me. The ceramic spray gave no longevity. Probably because I wash with Carpro Reset and the Wet Wax streaked terribly. I'm not giving 303 a chance to steal my money. If true Graphene coatings in general aren't ready for prime then 303's watered down spray version most definitely won't satisfy me.
I agree with the statement that if anything it holds promise. But it's not there yet and this 303 product is aimed squarely at taking early adopters money.
I agree with the statement that if anything it holds promise. But it's not there yet and this 303 product is aimed squarely at taking early adopters money.
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You Tuber had the R+D Lab manager on and give a good explanation on their new product.
Rsurfer
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Since SiO2 products have come out, manufactures have posted the amount of SiO2, same should be for the amount of Graphene as competition gets greater.Skeptics always amuse me, as there is no burden of proof on your end.
I use the same Internet you do, and watched a video this morning with a chemist at 303. One of the questions was asked about the product washing out of the towel. And paraphrasing his response, “our product does not bond well with fabric...and during wipe off, there isn’t much product (graphene) being lifted off by the towel (microfiber)”.
So, should I just assume that he’s lying? I don’t know, it’s a neat looking product that costs 20 bucks. People probably laugh at Turtle Wax, yet aren’t aware that it’s one of the best valued auto care items you can buy. Products are continuously improving. These are the first releases of a new line by all these companies.
It was no coincidence that within a month, several companies debuted their graphene product line. The chemical became available for purchase , and they went to work whipping up stuff.
It would be great to know what is exactly is in each one.
If anything, it holds promise.
So instead of calling it hype, you could do your own testing. Like when I read comments, “they should do this and they should do that.”. Well, what’s stopping anyone of us from doing our own testing? But I get it, the Internet is full of negativity, and it’s just so easy to knock everything.
And there was no ill intention aimed towards you, but I read your comments repeatedly that you think it’s all hype.
The YouTube reviewers, a few of them, definitely overhype the product.
Every product they review is just, “so easy and amazing!!!” ��
That I completely agree with.
So your point was taken, this is my counterpoint.
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Graphene has been around along while... nothing new just someone thought about it as an additive in a coating.
Was excited at first knowing a tiny something about graphene. With alot of the trusted names in the coating and detailing world speaking up or at least not releasing a graphene coating and the science they’ve used to debunk it..... yeah im gonna throw graphene in general in the hype bucket.
Doesn’t mean there not good base products to start out with.... just seems adding graphene doesn’t do much for the product.... just buzzy.
All the major OTC companies jumping on.... don’t worry Turtle wax’s graphene product on the way. When going through some of their SDS’s i saw one for a graphene wax product.
With Gyeon, Car pro’s, opti coat, Polish Angel, Kamikaze, 22ple, Fenylab, Ammo and other quality manufacturers not jumping into graphene when so easily accessible. I’m thinking its just not beneficial.
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Was excited at first knowing a tiny something about graphene. With alot of the trusted names in the coating and detailing world speaking up or at least not releasing a graphene coating and the science they’ve used to debunk it..... yeah im gonna throw graphene in general in the hype bucket.
Doesn’t mean there not good base products to start out with.... just seems adding graphene doesn’t do much for the product.... just buzzy.
All the major OTC companies jumping on.... don’t worry Turtle wax’s graphene product on the way. When going through some of their SDS’s i saw one for a graphene wax product.
With Gyeon, Car pro’s, opti coat, Polish Angel, Kamikaze, 22ple, Fenylab, Ammo and other quality manufacturers not jumping into graphene when so easily accessible. I’m thinking its just not beneficial.
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In time Graphene coatings may become bullet proof. I did say "may", until then I'm with you.
people wouldnt be on a detailing website if they didnt like cleaning and waxing cars. i dont want anything to last 1 year or more even if it could. i like to clean cars and make them shine. some guys will put on a new house addition that will take months and when there done they feel good about themselfs at what they done . i feel the same way when i make my car glow and that only takes a few hours. you can have water beading , and protection but i like the look that a fresh coat of wax makes on my car.