4 Color Changing Wheel Cleaners go Head to Head

[SYMAWD]

Interesting, the active in the new Optimum Ferrex is the same as the Adam's and it's also supposed to smell less than Iron X. Ferrex lists 10-20% vs. Adam's 10-15.

I don't know that much about how an MSDS needs to be written, but, what is an acceptable range? What would stop Adam's from making their's also say 10-20?

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I don't know that much about how an MSDS needs to be written, but, what is an acceptable range? What would stop Adam's from making their's also say 10-20?

My only point was that the OPT theoretically could have a little more of the active ingredient, I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[FUNX650]

And to think...

Per: Regulation (EC) No. 648/2004
(of the European Parliament and of the Council on Detergents)...

IronX has listed (as an additional substance):
0.1% or more; but less than 1.0% of a "fragrance".


Bob

 

[SYMAWD]

My only point was that the OPT theoretically could have a little more of the active ingredient, I'm not sure what you mean.

OPT lists 10-20 but it might only be 12.

Adam's lists 10-15 but it might be 13.

My question is, how big of a listed range is acceptable? Why can't Adam's list 10-25 and then we might think they have more than OPT?

 

[Setec Astronomy]

My question is, how big of a listed range is acceptable? Why can't Adam's list 10-25 and then we might think they have more than OPT?

As I noted further up in the thread, this is the reason that MSDS's are not always the greatest resource for product sleuthing. The purpose of MSDS's is to let the user know what the hazards of the product are, not so we can figure out how to make the product or whose product has more of a certain ingredient.

My guess is mfrs put large ranges to protect themselves from getting fined for wrong statements (although how that would get checked who knows) based on mfg tolerances or possible slight formula changes (maybe for cost or availability changes), but also to protect the precise formula from disclosure.

 

[FUNX650]

OPT lists 10-20 but it might only be 12.

Adam's lists 10-15 but it might be 13.

My question is, how big of a listed range is acceptable? Why can't Adam's list 10-25 and then we might think they have more than OPT?

IMO:
Boils down to how tight the reins are held on quality control; and the "bottom line" costs for certain chemicals.

Bob

 

[Klasse Act]

Great review, especially because the first one I've never seen a review of.

It goes without saying that agitation is key, the good stuff takes care of the heavy lifting and then the brush knocks it out of the park. I know you can't test everything out there but this makes me wanna do a test of my own, on my wife's ride, she too has spoke rash, LOL! I'd test:

1. DUB wheel cleaner

2. CG's Diablo

3. ECO TOUCH

4. CG's Sticky Citrus mixed w/ Alien Kleen (for kicks)

.....stay tuned!

 

[PiPUK]

The MSDS is available. Here it is: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lvregljv54dl3n7/Deep_Wheel_Cleaner (1).pdf?dl=0

Many thanks.

So anyway, back to the MSDS, I'm not sure it's so much that any of these companies who restrict MSDS distribution are trying to keep people from copying their formula or stealing their "innovation" as much as they don't want you to know their product just uses the same ingredients as the competition, because it interferes with their marketing message.

There is also the point that Mike Phillips has made, which is that MSDS's don't really tell you that much, the ingredients all have large ranges (probably to account for mfg. tolerance as well as protecting the actual formula), they frequently leave out non-hazardous ingredients which may be active, and us laymen may not really understand the import of the listed ingredients, anyway.

Actually, it was on the Adam's forum where they stated their reluctance on MSDS.

The MSDS does tell you enough, but you need a bit more than consumer knowledge. I can tell you, from the Adams MSDS, that it is not as strong in the active ingredient as IX. I would hazard that IX might actually be twice the active level. The density is also something that should help you - the active ingredient is much heavier than water. The higher the relative density, the more concentrated it will be. I can tell you that 20% active should be approx 1.05. Adams is quoting 1.01. I am not sure how much I believe this number because it would imply a large content of something very light, which would certainly be a solvent and would almost certainly be present in a proportion where it should be listed in the ingredients. Here you see the risk with MSDS - some times you have to take with a pinch of salt! Another little note is that the Adams MSDS implies the presence of some form of silicones....

Cost wise, this is one product where the active is THE major cost. It is almost guaranteed that a product which costs much less, has less active ingredient.

I don't know that much about how an MSDS needs to be written, but, what is an acceptable range? What would stop Adam's from making their's also say 10-20?

I don't know how the US system works, but, in the EU, the theory is that you are supposed to give the range in which the hazard lies. So, for instance, ammonium thioglycolate would lead to a hazard of 'harmful' if present between 3 and 25%. So that is what is stated. If it was more than 25%, it would be toxic. In truth, this seems to be something that is poorly defined and often it seems that manufacturers randomly choose the ranges which they state.

 

[roguegeek]

I know Iron X is safe to remove iron on clearcoats when used properly. Are the others listed here safe to do the same even though they are wheel cleaners?

 

[SYMAWD]

I know Iron X is safe to remove iron on clearcoats when used properly. Are the others listed here safe to do the same even though they are wheel cleaners?

Only Adam's advertises using Deep Wheel Cleaner for paint decontamination and they recommend diluting it 1:1 for that application. And IronX is of course safe as well.

 

[driggett]

I used to use the Bmw wheel cleaner that smelled like perm solution but now I use 3D BDX and love it. Safe for the wheels and the paint. I rinse the wheels, spray it on, let dwell, agitate, rinse and then take a microfiber and do a quick wipe.


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