4 Part Process Still Has Swirls?

[87rx7chick]

4 Part Process Still Has Swirls?


ok i am using 3m compound with 3m wool head then a yellow foam head, i then used perfect it polish for dark with 3m gray head, then i used finesse it finishing polish with blue polish pad. but i STILL have swirl marks from the gray pad.

what is wrong, what should i do?


edit: will the 3m paste wax fill in these swirls?

 

[T Riddle]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

ok i am using 3m compound with 3m wool head then a yellow foam head, i then used perfect it polish for dark with 3m gray head, then i used finesse it finishing polish with blue polish pad. but i STILL have swirl marks from the gray pad.

what is wrong, what should i do?


edit: will the 3m paste wax fill in these swirls?

Switch to 105/orange pad and 205/white/grey pad. Flawless every time for me.

 

[unclestu]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

ok i am using 3m compound with 3m wool head then a yellow foam head, i then used perfect it polish for dark with 3m gray head, then i used finesse it finishing polish with blue polish pad. but i STILL have swirl marks from the gray pad.

what is wrong, what should i do?


edit: will the 3m paste wax fill in these swirls?

Just a guess but could it be that going from a yellow pad down to a gray pad was to much of a jump
I had great results using wtsr with an orange pad followed by wfg with a white pad followed by menz85rd and a blue pad..It seemed that you went with a very aggressive approach wool pad/ yellow pad than down to a gray pad. Did you do a test panel first to see what combo would best remove the swirls before you proceeded to a finishing polish? It seems a shame to after all that work to hope to fill in the swirls with a wax. I have also heard a lot of good things about the megs 105/205 combo but have not tried it myself.

 

[87rx7chick]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

Switch to 105/orange pad and 205/white pad. Flawless every time for me.

thanks but i dont have that kind of compound, or the money to order it. unless u want to help me out. . . my roomate didnt pay me rent so i dont even have cash to eat LMFAO, thank god i bought what i did before i found out...



the swirls from the yellow pad went away with the gray pad. but the swirls from the gray pad didnt go away with the blue pad it seems... hell i dont even know.

all i know is why is anything wrong with using all 3 m products. shops across town all use this stuff and have good results do they not? question is what am i doing wrong

 

[87rx7chick]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

to add, i am doing it at night under a bright blue metal halyd bulb... i brang it into the garage under flouro and cant see... would a MH show more then sunlight?


also it looks like the paste wax filled in the swirls, is this common? or a baindaid

 

[T Riddle]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

thanks but i dont have that kind of compound, or the money to order it. unless u want to help me out. . . my roomate didnt pay me rent so i dont even have cash to eat LMFAO, thank god i bought what i did before i found out...



the swirls from the yellow pad went away with the gray pad. but the swirls from the gray pad didnt go away with the blue pad it seems... hell i dont even know.

all i know is why is anything wrong with using all 3 m products. shops across town all use this stuff and have good results do they not? question is what am i doing wrong

I have used 3m and the only thing I have found that worked well was ultrafina. The 105/205 is newly released and is just a pleasure to work with. You might try your last polish step with the grey pad as well. I have used it a lot to finish down with good results. I might be willing to throw out some samples of my 105/205.......

 

[Chatelaine]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

In my experience with the 3M line I found the results were only so-so. All those bottles have now migrated to the back of my shelves and are collecting dust. I'm not sure how to help you with your issues you're having right now other then to suggest when you have spare cash ~90$ try ordering a bottle of SIP and 106 or 85RD.

 

[87rx7chick]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

I have used 3m and the only thing I have found that worked well was ultrafina. The 105/205 is newly released and is just a pleasure to work with. You might try your last polish step with the grey pad as well. I have used it a lot to finish down with good results. I might be willing to throw out some samples of my 105/205.......

yeah... maybe that would help i wish i did have the cash for all the pads and the right polish... but i had to get what i could aford at the time.

In my experience with the 3M line I found the results were only so-so. All those bottles have now migrated to the back of my shelves and are collecting dust. I'm not sure how to help you with your issues you're having right now other then to suggest when you have spare cash ~90$ try ordering a bottle of SIP and 106 or 85RD.

thats cool. so so hu? alright well thats cool, anything right now is better then the orange peal i did have. its night and day results.

i may just have to slap on wax to protect the paint. wait till after christmas and order the good stuff and try again. would this be ok? the paint is already 5 months old.

 

[SRHTX]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

ok i am using 3m compound with 3m wool head then a yellow foam head, i then used perfect it polish for dark with 3m gray head, then i used finesse it finishing polish with blue polish pad. but i STILL have swirl marks from the gray pad.

what is wrong, what should i do?


edit: will the 3m paste wax fill in these swirls?

Try and change to this wool. THIS wool works very well and does not heat up the paint much at all:

Foamed Wool 6.5 x 1 Thick Polishing / Buffing Pad

My $.02

btw - I will be going up to Boerne for Thanksgiving. Just not sure what day I will drive up there.

 

[87rx7chick]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

Try and change to this wool. THIS wool works very well and does not heat up the paint much at all:

Foamed Wool 6.5 x 1 Thick Polishing / Buffing Pad

My $.02

btw - I will be going up to Boerne for Thanksgiving. Just not sure what day I will drive up there.

but its not the wool i am having issue with , i already removed the compound swirls but the polish created new swirls. ... um... yeah..


btw if i use the finish stuff with the gray pad then the blue pad how would that be different from doing what i already did? are they different grades of cutting? the pads and the polish? i do not understand.


im sorry i am just really frustrated i have had a hell of a week so far, and i just want to finish my car i been working on it for almost 3 weeks now just sanding and pollishing

 

[SRHTX]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

but its not the wool i am having issue with , i already removed the compound swirls but the polish created new swirls. ... um... yeah..


btw if i use the finish stuff with the gray pad then the blue pad how would that be different from doing what i already did? are they different grades of cutting? the pads and the polish? i do not understand.


im sorry i am just really frustrated i have had a hell of a week so far, and i just want to finish my car i been working on it for almost 3 weeks now just sanding and pollishing

Will you be there in SA for Thanksgiving? If so, please e-mail me. I could bring some of my toys up there if you wish and we could work on your Mazda. I really would love to see your RX-8. Looks AWSOME!!!!! rops:

 

[StephenK]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

nothing arong with using all 3M products, my thinking is maybe you are not working the product long enough or using to much. i know when i use my rotary ending with the grey foam never leaves/adds swirls marks. i very seldomly "have" to use the blue pad.

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

The yellow to gray is too big of a jump. What has happened is when you used their swirl remover, which has a ton of fillers, with the gray pad you removed what was filled making you think the gray pad caused your misery. When you polish you have to do it baby steps not a giant step from yellow to gray. Also there is no need to go from wool to yellow, you are actually making it worse. The wool is going to the level the paint better and give yo a better surface to work with. You will need to get a few white pads to shorten up your steps and leave the yellow out of your steps. So in the end what you did is actually fill the swirls while using the yellow pad and then when you jumped to gray it could not remove/fill the larger swirls made by the yellow pad. this is why you thought the gray pad caused your problem.

 

[T Riddle]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

The yellow to gray is too big of a jump. What has happened is when you used their swirl remover, which has a ton of fillers, with the gray pad you removed what was filled making you think the gray pad caused your misery. When you polish you have to do it baby steps not a giant step from yellow to gray. Also there is no need to go from wool to yellow, you are actually making it worse. The wool is going to the level the paint better and give yo a better surface to work with. You will need to get a few white pads to shorten up your steps and leave the yellow out of your steps. So in the end what you did is actually fill the swirls while using the yellow pad and then when you jumped to gray it could not remove/fill the larger swirls made by the yellow pad. this is why you thought the gray pad caused your problem.

:iagree: Get some more/Dif pads.

 

[87rx7chick]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

Will you be there in SA for Thanksgiving? If so, please e-mail me. I could bring some of my toys up there if you wish and we could work on your Mazda. I really would love to see your RX-8. Looks AWSOME!!!!! rops:

yeah i will be here. im right inside 1604 and i-10 i would love to get some help. its all ready!

The yellow to gray is too big of a jump. What has happened is when you used their swirl remover, which has a ton of fillers, with the gray pad you removed what was filled making you think the gray pad caused your misery. When you polish you have to do it baby steps not a giant step from yellow to gray. Also there is no need to go from wool to yellow, you are actually making it worse. The wool is going to the level the paint better and give yo a better surface to work with. You will need to get a few white pads to shorten up your steps and leave the yellow out of your steps. So in the end what you did is actually fill the swirls while using the yellow pad and then when you jumped to gray it could not remove/fill the larger swirls made by the yellow pad. this is why you thought the gray pad caused your problem.

well i used the wool then the yellow with the same compound. i can go buy a white pad for 12$ tomorrow no problem. maybe because it was so cold the paint didnt heat up enough to work with it good enough....

i was told by the shop that i should use the wool then the yellow foam , but the shop never told me anything further cuz i didnt get that far @ the shop. i took my project home .

it is very possible that i did not work the product well enough. i was getting tired the sun had set, and it was getting COLD

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

yeah i will be here. im right inside 1604 and i-10 i would love to get some help. its all ready!


well i used the wool then the yellow with the same compound. i can go buy a white pad for 12$ tomorrow no problem. maybe because it was so cold the paint didnt heat up enough to work with it good enough....

i was told by the shop that i should use the wool then the yellow foam , but the shop never told me anything further cuz i didnt get that far @ the shop. i took my project home .

it is very possible that i did not work the product well enough. i was getting tired the sun had set, and it was getting COLD

You could have not broken the polish down enough, but you are going backwards by using the yellow pad after the wool. That is incorrect information. Use your wool, get a pad inbetween the wool and gray/blue pad. Like I said you have to slowly and in small steps decrease the size of the marring. Also you have to take into account that the swirl remover from 3M fills a ton. The only decent polish they make is the Extra-cut and Ultrafina/Ultrafine. If you could pick up something locally I would suggest getting some 205 as a middle step to truely remove the marring from the wool pad.

 

[sullysdetailing]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

ok i am using 3m compound with 3m wool head then a yellow foam head, i then used perfect it polish for dark with 3m gray head, then i used finesse it finishing polish with blue polish pad. but i STILL have swirl marks from the gray pad.

what is wrong, what should i do?


edit: will the 3m paste wax fill in these swirls?

Going from wool to yellpw is not ok. You should go from wool to orange. But going from that to grey is to big of a gap. You need a white pad after the yellow. Also try working the product a little more with the yellow or orange pad then you will spend a little less time with the white pad. But going from yellow to grey is way to big of a jump.

 

[87rx7chick]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

You could have not broken the polish down enough, but you are going backwards by using the yellow pad after the wool. That is incorrect information. Use your wool, get a pad inbetween the wool and gray/blue pad. Like I said you have to slowly and in small steps decrease the size of the marring. Also you have to take into account that the swirl remover from 3M fills a ton. The only decent polish they make is the Extra-cut and Ultrafina/Ultrafine. If you could pick up something locally I would suggest getting some 205 as a middle step to truely remove the marring from the wool pad.

on the bottle it clearly states it has no fillers. i am not filling anything and i never said i did. what i said was i was using the wax to fill it in (i tested it in one 2x2 area) maybe thats what you mis-understood.

i could be wrong or 3m could be mis-informing me that they have no filler in their polish for dark. but i am not saying i ever filled anything. never removed the swirls.

i dont think i did break down the polish enough. i have never been taught in person how to use it. so i guess i will try again tomorrow when its warmer. maybe the cold was the issue?

i'll browse and try to find something on polishing.

oh ya and i never used a "swirl remover" just perfect-it and
finesse-it

 

[ASPHALT ROCKET]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

Going from wool to yellpw is ok. You can even go from wool to orange. But going from yellow to gray is to big of a gap. You need a white pad after the yellow. Also try working the product a little more with the yellow or orange pad then you will spend a little less time with the white pad. But going from yellow to grey is way to big of a jump.

Actually going from wool to yellow is going backwards, so no it's not o.k. The wool cuts and levels the paint better than the yellow and will ruin what the wool has done as far as being a better surface to start with.

on the bottle it clearly states it has no fillers. i am not filling anything and i never said i did. what i said was i was using the wax to fill it in (i tested it in one 2x2 area) maybe thats what you mis-understood.

i could be wrong or 3m could be mis-informing me that they have no filler in their polish for dark. but i am not saying i ever filled anything. never removed the swirls.

i dont think i did break down the polish enough. i have never been taught in person how to use it. so i guess i will try again tomorrow when its warmer. maybe the cold was the issue?

i'll browse and try to find something on polishing.

oh ya and i never used a "swirl remover" just perfect-it and
finesse-it

I understand what the bottle says and I understand the polish might not have been broken down enough,but it is well known that the 3M swirl removers fill instead of remove marring and swirls. Think about it why do you think the gray pad showed the marring. Re-read what I said above and that will explain what has happened.

 

[87rx7chick]

Re: 4 part prosses still has swirls?

I understand what the bottle says and I understand the polish might not have been broken down enough,but it is well known that the 3M swirl removers fill instead of remove marring and swirls. Think about it why do you think the gray pad showed the marring. Re-read what I said above and that will explain what has happened.

im sorry i am having a hard time concentrating i have alot of anxiety from this failure along with a few other things going on in the last few days (roomate didnt pay rent dog is sick and reptiles are sick and i am sick )

fun times

so, your catagorizing my stuff as swirl removers? they say finishing on them.

the marring you speek of, you say its showing up because i am removing fillers? that doesnt make sence i never said it ever fixed the swirls. im saying it wont remove them.

my head hurts im sorry...


btw i was told that wool is more harsh then foam because the wool hairs each make cuts into the paint and the yellow (which is ment for compound) is ment to reduce the cuts the wool made.

either way i am driving it to the paint store tomorrow to have them look at it. i think tonight i am to burnt out, have to much anxiety, and i just need to go rest and start fresh tomorrow.... my head really does hurt just trying to think about this..

and for the record. i did list all the products i had, all the foam heads i had, and the possess i wwas doing in my previous post. why didnt any one catch the problem?