95 Hour Detail by Oakes - BMW M5

This car was 80% original paint, certain portions resprayed as a result of oversanding from someone removing a painted on pinstripe before the owner bought the vehicle.
 
Bumping this thread to give everyone an update on his this car still looks almost 6 months after I last touched it, following proper maintenance procedures, this M5 still looks like the day it left here when I created this thread. The pictures speak for themselves!

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Thanks for looking!​
 
Wonderful color, wonderful car, and wonderful work. Man I'd love to own a M5 like that.
 
Oakes said:
Thank you!!

Aj, to answer your questions...

I used the PC7424XP, speed 3-31/2 light to moderate pressure - NO leaning or pushing and in some areas took up to 3 passes to get it level. That was using 1500 grit paper, rest of the steps were done by hand.
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Wow very nice work.

So you only used 1500 grit? What other polishes were used?
 
Negative, started with 1500 or 2000 grit in certain areas, followed by 2000, 2500 and 3000 grit by hand. Nearly 24 hours in sanding alone. Then followed up by machine with Megs85, Megs105, Megs 205, Menzerna106
 
Saw the update on Facebook. She is still rockin'!! Props to the owner, or whomever, for maintaining the finish.
 
Oakes said:
Negative, started with 1500 or 2000 grit in certain areas, followed by 2000, 2500 and 3000 grit by hand. Nearly 24 hours in sanding alone. Then followed up by machine with Megs85, Megs105, Megs 205, Menzerna106
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Impressive. :applause:
 
I apologize for the very basic question, but I'm trying to wrap my head around how wet sanding as shown above can make such a drastic improvement on orange peal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my understanding, orange peel is caused by texture on the base coat most likely due to overspray. This is then covered by a clear coat which locks in the texture.

From what I have seen, the clear coat is still even and of uniform texture but the texture is in the base coat. How is this then corrected without removing the clear coat, is that act of reducing the thickness of the clear coat and then the compounding/ polishing process helps to level out the base coat?

I know this is a basic question, I'm just trying to get the mechanics squared away in my head to understand how he made such an amazing turnaround on the M5.
 
Amazing! Love seeing this kind of work on AG. Very humbling. I have so much to learn.....

:props:
 
There may be some orange peel in the base coat(which the clear will fill in), however, the ripples seen on vehicles is the outer most layer of clear paint. It is mostly from paint being sprayed to quickly and at too high a pressure. The orange peel effect comes mostly from the clear coat, but, any ripples in the base coat can just exaggerate the ripples that occur in the clear.
 
Oakes said:
Thank you!!

The rates here are $55/hr...
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Oakes said:
Disagree here. I wont disclose the actual price I charged, but I can assure you it was reasonable price for the work done and satisfied the customer.

Also think 40 hours is bit of a bold estimate for something with inconsistent paint like this car had, theres no cut and dry method to sanding any car fully and properly in a stiff time frame. Also not sure where you are but having dealt with vehicles needing resprays over the past decade...proper paint jobs easily fetch $10-20k if you want it done right. Even then, you risk not getting proper clears, depth and preps.

5k gets you surface same color resprays without jams/window removal, and tons of orange peel....just like what this car had. You also end up with unoriginal paint which takes away from the value of the vehicle immensely.
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Very wise words....

Thats definitely impressive to say the least. Amazing work both in terms of quantity but most importantly quality.

It is also nice to see that there are customers out there that are seeking for and appreciate all the effort and passion we put on making that paint look flawless.

:dblthumb2::urtheman:
 
DavidJ021 said:
Impressive. :applause:
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Thank you!

tahoesallaround said:
I apologize for the very basic question, but I'm trying to wrap my head around how wet sanding as shown above can make such a drastic improvement on orange peal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but to my understanding, orange peel is caused by texture on the base coat most likely due to overspray. This is then covered by a clear coat which locks in the texture.

From what I have seen, the clear coat is still even and of uniform texture but the texture is in the base coat. How is this then corrected without removing the clear coat, is that act of reducing the thickness of the clear coat and then the compounding/ polishing process helps to level out the base coat?

I know this is a basic question, I'm just trying to get the mechanics squared away in my head to understand how he made such an amazing turnaround on the M5.
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To help you fully understand it, which you have the right understanding partially, I will try and explain it in basic terms.

It honestly all depends on the manufacturer and their process, your understanding is correct...for certain companies and body shops. However, just like paint is different from one manufacturer to another, so is their process in applying it.

Orange peel can be found in the base coat, however a good amount of companies sand both their primer and base coats but not the clear coat. In sanding the first two coats, the peel is significantly reduced or non existant - but without sanding the last coat the peel will be present - like it was on this M5. Thus making it possible to sand out the finish and make it smooth like I did here.

Some companies however only sand the clear coat and not the primer/base. Ford is known for this as well as Chevy, Chevy paint is far too thin to sand from the start and you wont be able to remove the peel because it is under the clear.

This is why test spots, paint depth gauges, full understanding of the vehicle history and experience with such is extremely critical to taking on a job like this. Hope this helps your understanding!

Scarelane said:
Amazing! Love seeing this kind of work on AG. Very humbling. I have so much to learn.....

:props:
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ShaunD said:
There may be some orange peel in the base coat(which the clear will fill in), however, the ripples seen on vehicles is the outer most layer of clear paint. It is mostly from paint being sprayed to quickly and at too high a pressure. The orange peel effect comes mostly from the clear coat, but, any ripples in the base coat can just exaggerate the ripples that occur in the clear.
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Yes. This is also correct.

Theostoubos said:
Very wise words....

Thats definitely impressive to say the least. Amazing work both in terms of quantity but most importantly quality.

It is also nice to see that there are customers out there that are seeking for and appreciate all the effort and passion we put on making that paint look flawless.

:dblthumb2::urtheman:
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Thank you sir!
 
Looks amazing! Orange peel is a disease to many high end cars and from far it's not noticeable but up close it just wreaks the paint! Great job though and keep up the good work!View attachment 31809
In this bmw335xi the orange peel is horrible!
 
^Agreed. We just completed a few full wet sanding jobs, which caused me to check back on this thread. Unfortunately, some of the peel is caused by the factory not leveling the primer or base colors. Meaning we're restricted on the results when we sand the clear. Orange peel has to be lived with for some people unfortunately.
 
I still have this thread bookmarked on my desktop at home! Loved reading this every now and then!
 
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