Acrylic paint sealant??

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Sooo i was kinda snoopin around on some websites of other local detailers and saw one that said this:

"We offer only the highest commercial grade of premium waxes and acrylic paint sealants. The acrylic paint sealant is the most durable finish, outlasting waxes and offering a much harder finish to defend off the extreme heat and UV rays of the Arizona sun."

My question is this...is this 'acrylic paint sealant' the same stuff we use (meguiars,wolfgang,pinnacle etc) for sealants but just put into a nice phrase to make it sound more appealing, or is it something different?

I was also talking with someone today who was mentioning he went to a detail shop and he had mentioned he had the choice of an 'acrylic or 'teflon' coating on his paint...again i was wondering is this just the same stuff we use and the guys who were selling it to him were just kind of giving him the 'glittery' run down to make it sound like something more than it really was, or is it actually something different than what we do/use?
 
While I don't know the answer to your original question, I can tell you DuPont released something to the effect that putting teflon in a wax/sealant is pointless and has little advantages.
 
aerogt01 said:
While I don't know the answer to your original question, I can tell you DuPont released something to the effect that putting teflon in a wax/sealant is pointless and has little advantages.
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Who/what is DuPont?

claims 3...yes 3 years of protection...i've never HEARD of that..not saying it isnt possible but probably unlikely....i'd like to hear arguments from both sides of this if anyone knows anything about it...
 
I know Klasse is an acrylic paint sealant, and lasting up to one year is not unheard of.

However, I think the Teflon base would be something more like the coating we are seeing lately, G|Techniq, Opti-coat, etc.

Edit: If it actually lasts as long as they say it will.
 
Who/what is Du Pont? I can't believe my eyes......

Founded in 1802, DuPont puts science to work by creating sustainable solutions essential to a better, safer, healthier life for people everywhere. Operating in approximately 80 countries, DuPont offers a wide range of innovative products and services for markets including agriculture, nutrition, electronics, communications, safety and protection, home and construction, transportation and apparel.
 
Wills.WindowsAndWheels said:
Who/what is DuPont?
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DuPont a wealthy french family who used to sell gun powder. Now basically makes every chemical and textile you can think of.

Teflon, Nomex, ect..

they probably have done more for detailing then we know. the chemicals and such used in detailing is right up their alley.
 
Polymer Sealant (Example: WG, UPGP, etc.)

Acrylic Sealant (Example: Klasse)

Nanotech coating (Example: Cquartz)
 
You guys are forgetting that DuPont used to be one of the largest auto paint mfrs (if they aren't still).
 
aerogt01 said:
I know Klasse is an acrylic paint sealant, and lasting up to one year is not unheard of.

However, I think the Teflon base would be something more like the coating we are seeing lately, G|Techniq, Opti-coat, etc.

Edit: If it actually lasts as long as they say it will.
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I have heard one year...i didnt say one year tho...i said three years lol

Personally i tell my customers a sealant will offer really good protection for 6 months...and a wax for about 2 months...I'm sure it WILL last longer, but I dont think it will be as effective in the following months as it was within that time frame....then again im kind of a nut and try to freshen up the wax/sealant on our cars quite regularly :dblthumb2:....guess id rather be safe than sorry.

Im sure a promise of a year to a customer would sound better, but i dont want to lie, or exaggerate the truth just for the sake of a sale.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
You guys are forgetting that DuPont used to be one of the largest auto paint mfrs (if they aren't still).
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I am not sure if it still carries the DuPont brand but they used to sell DuPont branded automotive finishes. I think the might be selling the paints and stuff to other companies as rebrands. I know some recent paints i got the company said it would work with DuPont reducers and such.
 
AndrewBall said:
I am not sure if it still carries the DuPont brand but they used to sell DuPont branded automotive finishes. I think the might be selling the paints and stuff to other companies as rebrands. I know some recent paints i got the company said it would work with DuPont reducers and such.
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DuPont still makes auto paint (in fact their website says they make Ecoat, primer, powder coat, basecoat, and clearcoat, as well as a separate line of coatings for the refinish market). It's just that 30 years ago if you went into a paint store more than likely you would come out with a can that said DuPont on it, I'm not sure they have as large a share now.
 
I actually discovered detailing online when someone told me about teflon sealants. I started doing research and it lead me to Klasse and some discussions on a message board that used to be pretty much the only place online you could talk about detailing stuff. Good memories...

I have seen some good results as far as durability goes with Klasse Sealant Glaze, but that is the only acrylic sealant I've had much experience with. I've used some others that I just flat out didn't like. Polymer sealants is where you get your best bang for the buck when it comes to durability and appearance in my opinion. I haven't seen anybody coming out with new technology in the acrylic sealant area for a really long time. Guys that still talk about teflon sealants and acrylic sealants are really old school and should probably do some catching up. They would be surprised what has happened in the last ten years or so.
 
FWIW...

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I used to see this on the shelf all the time. I never tried it since there really couldn't be much value in the microscopic amount of teflon that the product probably had in it. To my understanding, Teflon is useless unless it is applied by heat.
 
Well as usual, I'm learning something new. Some really good replies (and fast replies) thus far. I wont be forgetting the DuPont name anytime soon :).

So acrylic and polymer are the two big hitters in the sealant game (thats what ive read the most about anyway)...what would be the difference between the two..and what classifies if one is polymer or acrylic? I use megs #20 on a lot of jobs...have had really good and long lasting results from it...i just like to be able to know as many ins and outs of everything just in case it ever comes up in conversation with a customer, or potential customer (as it did today).
 
I found someone here in tulsa the other day claiming a 3 year guaranteed paint sealant, seemed to be similar to the site you referenced earlier. From what I hear those, there are 100's of ways for the detailers/dealers to void that 3 year guarantee.
 
OCDetails said:
FWIW...

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I used to see this on the shelf all the time. I never tried it since there really couldn't be much value in the microscopic amount of teflon that the product probably had in it. To my understanding, Teflon is useless unless it is applied by heat.
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I bought some of that stuff when it first came out. I looked deep and very wet, was very easy to use and did a fantastic job of hiding swirls. Then there was the gotcha... it all lasted until the first rain.
 
jonn127 said:
I found someone here in tulsa the other day claiming a 3 year guaranteed paint sealant, seemed to be similar to the site you referenced earlier. From what I hear those, there are 100's of ways for the detailers/dealers to void that 3 year guarantee.
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You have to read the fine print. I read that once for a product the last time I bought a car. It was guaranteed as long as you came back every three months to have it reapplied. Miss one visit and the warranty is void. You have to be able to prove the dealership or whoever provides the service is doing the regular 'maintenance' on your paint. Since nobody ever goes back more than once or twice I'd wager, it is money in the bank.

I have on good authority (and actually confirmed by a local dealership) that Lexus dealerships used to charge $300 for their paint protection. Their secret product was Klasse Sealant Glaze. There were some Mercedes dealerships doing that as well. This is information I gathered way back in the day when I first started getting into this on the internet, so it likely isn't the case now. Now you can buy Klasse in the parts department of the local Honda dealerships around here.
 
Klasse and Werstatt are acrylic based, cannot remember if products like Final Finish are also.

Dupont doesnt really make any wax, they license their name for use. Many years ago they came out and suggested Teflon has no place in car care unless you could bake it at tremendous heat.

seperate note: please remember links to competitor sites are not allowed !!
 
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