Add "only" hydrophobic property to my paint?

Insaneoctane said:
I am currently running with Optimum Synthetic Spray Wax on my new car. The front end is protected with Suntek Ultra. After reading ad nauseam about ceramic coatings and their reload products, I settled for my old school OSW. My question for the forum is are there good options for adding just hydrophobic action? Ideally on top of my OSW... I noticed that all the ceramic coatings tend to lose their hydrophobic qualities first and then people add that back via some product. I just want more hydrophobic action only. I recently tried using my OSW as a drying agent while I was drying it and felt like I was buffing more than I prefer and worry drying with too much effort will give me swirls... Any ideas?
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Not sure I'm understanding the problem: you want something water repellent that is easier to apply than a spray wax? I think one of the hydro products is your best option. Spray on and hose or pressure wash off. Or as others have said, Optiseat. Ultima Paint Guard Plus is also a wipe-on, walk away product, so maybe consider that as well.

You're not likely to introduce swirls in your car and towels are clean. Maybe with very soft paint and crappy towels. Otherwise I'd keep using Opt Spray Wax and not worry about it.
 
The reason I asked about your color on your car. Is that for some reason Sonax Polymer Net Shield and Brilliant Shine Detailer looks awesome on white paints. As does Gyeon Wet Coat for me. While I have a silver metallic car those gets some brightening effect on this paint. And I like the more darkening effect like some LSP has.

I'm not so familiar with the most common LSP on AGO. But one I you would be satisfied with and it's a little pricey is Polish Angel High Gloss. It gets you a deep glow and bring out the metallic flakes in an awesome way. You have many coating lite options that has come out now. McKees 10min sealant and Gyeon CanCoat and Blackfire Sio2 sealant and Booster are some of them. The use of sio2 products on the gray scale paints with metallic is they stand out great. That's a hard color to get to pop in looks. And the big difference is to have a great finishing polish done so you have as a clear finish as possible before applying a LSP.

Look into the show and shine part of the forum. And look around on the cars shown with the same kind of color that you have and what they use. See if something interesting you there. You don't see the full effect from LSP on photos but it's the next best thing.

Then you have the budget consider to mix in. Some goes for the value and see LSP as almost all looks the same. And some like that little extra looks you can get with a certain LSP. This is not the same as the most expensive looks the best. But IMO LSP has different looks from them.

And when talking about opti-seal it's goes a long way from very little amount of product. So price comparison and oz for oz is not a fair match. As a 8oz bottle would last you as long as a OCW standard bottle and maybe longer.

One product that is very like opti-seal as a WOWA product and can be used as a drying aid. Ultima paint guard plus and when they did release the new formula it's water based know too and can be used as a drying aid. This I think you would also like if you like the looks of carnuaba warm looks. And they have a waterless wash that gives you a more cost effective drying aid too.

Some thoughts from me and those is very personal from person to person to what you like.

/Tony
 
SWETM said:
One product that is very like opti-seal as a WOWA product and can be used as a drying aid. Ultima paint guard plus and when they did release the new formula it's water based know too and can be used as a drying aid. This I think you would also like if you like the looks of carnuaba warm looks. And they have a waterless wash that gives you a more cost effective drying aid too.



/Tony
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How is the durability of Ultima Paint Guard+ when applied correctly?? I have a bottle to try, but haven't gotten around to using it yet.
 
oneheadlite said:
I’ve also not had issues with Opti Seal streaking when used as a drying aid.

The only hesitation I’d have about using it as a drying aid over Optimum Spray Wax stems from a comment that Ivan had made on their podcast once about removing streaks from OCW by using Opti Seal. Seems to me the solvent component of Opti Seal might be strong enough to strip the OCW you’re trying to protect.

It only just recently came out, but Griot’s has a BOSS Foaming Poly Gloss designed to be used with a foamer that is supposed to be very hydrophobic and anti static. Foam on, rinse off. Just received mine today, I’ll report back once I get a chance to use it.
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Actually, according to Ivan - Opti-Seal will find It's was under the wax. The solvent will suspend the wax, and after it flashes away the wax will be sitting on top of the polymer. Or something to that effect.
 
When you do your 1-2 week wash, use Mckee's Si02 Auto Wash to add gloss, slickness and hydrophobic properties back to the surface. No need to take additional steps with extra products.

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dlc95 said:
Actually, according to Ivan - Opti-Seal will find It's was under the wax. The solvent will suspend the wax, and after it flashes away the wax will be sitting on top of the polymer. Or something to that effect.
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Are you saying it will compromise/diminish my wax coating if I use opti-seal as a drying aide?
 
No they are supposed to be synergistic meaning they work together. Just according to them and their chemical/polymer make up one will sink to the bottom

It should not effect anything other than adding additional layer of protection. Not the longest lived protection. But still more


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ski2 said:
How is the durability of Ultima Paint Guard+ when applied correctly?? I have a bottle to try, but haven't gotten around to using it yet.
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I got about 6 months longevity with 2 coats over the summer months. It's the old formula I have. But would think that the new is about the same. The old formula is very sensitive to water and dew. Think the new formula is better at that and can be used as a drying aid too. So a new coat of Ultima PGP would be very easy to apply if you would feel to it.
 
So let me get this straight: I put OCW on my car, and then follow up with Opti-seal. I the Opti-seal will lift the OCW, float it to the surface, then Opti-seal will bond to the paint and then OCW will settle on top of the Opti-seal.

I have to believe that Opti-seal either sits on top of OCW, in which case it would only have the longevity of OCW, or it dissolves and effectively removes the OCW. I don't see a problem with this since Opti-seal has better longevity. Believing these magically work together seems like a stretch.

My skeptical opinion is that if you're going to use Opti-seal as a drying aid there's little point to also using OCW.

btw, I had no idea that opti-seal was so versatile. Will have to try it in the interior. Wonder how it compares to Ultima Interior Guard...
 
Insaneoctane said:
I am currently running with Optimum Synthetic Spray Wax on my new car. The front end is protected with Suntek Ultra. After reading ad nauseam about ceramic coatings and their reload products, I settled for my old school OSW. My question for the forum is are there good options for adding just hydrophobic action? Ideally on top of my OSW... I noticed that all the ceramic coatings tend to lose their hydrophobic qualities first and then people add that back via some product. I just want more hydrophobic action only. I recently tried using my OSW as a drying agent while I was drying it and felt like I was buffing more than I prefer and worry drying with too much effort will give me swirls... Any ideas?
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IMO give the car a quick polish and simply coat it. Gyeon Syncro and /thread. It's going to be more hydrophobic than any of the spray on stuff you'll be trying in the mean time and it lasts quite a while. You'll also have enough of their Skin leftover to redo your car in full another time too.

If you want something stupid easy and 95% the same in terms of shedding water like a duck, go with Gyeon CanCoat. I've put videos of both up here under the Gyeon forum/threads.
 
Thanks for all the inputs. This is what I've decided to do.....I ordered some Optimum opti-seal. I don't presume that Optimum makes the absolute best of every product, but they seem pretty darn good, wide spread, and affordable. I also ordered some Optimum paint prep while I was at it. I figured I might just add some opti-seal initially as my drying agent and see how it feels & works. Eventually, I will use the paint prep and give the opti-seal a real chance to grab on to the clean clear coat. Then I will add some OCW on top and use some combination of OCW and opti-seal as drying agents/boosters. It will take me a LONG time to work thru my gallon of OCW, but I'll probably get a feel for how the combination does or doesn't work.
 
Insaneoctane said:
Thanks for all the inputs. This is what I've decided to do.....I ordered some Optimum opti-seal. I don't presume that Optimum makes the absolute best of every product, but they seem pretty darn good, wide spread, and affordable. I also ordered some Optimum paint prep while I was at it. I figured I might just add some opti-seal initially as my drying agent and see how it feels & works. Eventually, I will use the paint prep and give the opti-seal a real chance to grab on to the clean clear coat. Then I will add some OCW on top and use some combination of OCW and opti-seal as drying agents/boosters. It will take me a LONG time to work thru my gallon of OCW, but I'll probably get a feel for how the combination does or doesn't work.
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The amounts of products/opinions on here are mind boggling.

But, there is certainly nothing wrong with Optimum products. They make some great stuff.

Like our exalted leader Mike Phillips always says: "Find something you like, and use it often".
 
RippyD said:
So let me get this straight: I put OCW on my car, and then follow up with Opti-seal. I the Opti-seal will lift the OCW, float it to the surface, then Opti-seal will bond to the paint and then OCW will settle on top of the Opti-seal.

I have to believe that Opti-seal either sits on top of OCW, in which case it would only have the longevity of OCW, or it dissolves and effectively removes the OCW. I don't see a problem with this since Opti-seal has better longevity. Believing these magically work together seems like a stretch.

My skeptical opinion is that if you're going to use Opti-seal as a drying aid there's little point to also using OCW.

btw, I had no idea that opti-seal was so versatile. Will have to try it in the interior. Wonder how it compares to Ultima Interior Guard...
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Check out the second post.

Than also mentioned it in a podcast.

Does it work? I have no way of knowing.

Opti seal over wax ? - Ask the Optimum Experts - Optimum Forum
 
Here is something else to consider. Yvan has mentioned that opti-seal will remove a previous layer of opti-seal.
 
Insaneoctane said:
Hmmmm. Fair question. I'm initially getting a very slick feeling after I've applied the OCW, but I was looking for a way or product to keep the water action going. I hand wash every 1 or 2 weeks and after about 4 washes, it doesn't feel like it did freshly applied. I figured the base coat application of OCW was good for a least a couple months, but noticing it's not as slick. Maybe using the OCW as a drying agent is the best answer for me (since I have a gallon of it)....just seeing what other folks thoughts are....
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OCW contains some Carnauba wax. Around 5% if memory serves. Carnauba wax gives a lot of gloss and depth to the paint, but it also allows contaminants to bind with it easilly compared to a sealant or coating. So that loss of slightness probably comes from road film or other contaminants on the surface.

Optimum says 5 months durability on OCW but as time goes by, I am getting more and more skeptic about durability claims from the manufacturers. Every real world test I see show all the product failling way sooner than advertized and those tests are done on scrap hoods sitting in a backyard. Imagine if they were actually on the road facing wind and water being slashed on them and all that.

So it is very possible OCW is failing after a month. It is what Reloads seems to do even though it is supposed to be a 6 months product. Waxes in general are not resilient at all, but OCW only conains a little bit. It pretty much a sealant with a bit of wax in it. Maybe what you are feeling is the wax being gone and the sealant itself may not be very slick.

But here is my question... if you are gonna re-apply a product, why not re-apply the same one? So instead of putting OCW on once a month and topping it with what ever in between, why not use OCW everytime you wash the car? It is a good product, I see no reason not to use it every time. I have used it as a drying aid and it does a very good job. I do the washes like Yvan shows in the video now (except I use a microfiber mitt or towel instead of a sponge).
 
Calendyr said:
But here is my question... if you are gonna re-apply a product, why not re-apply the same one? So instead of putting OCW on once a month and topping it with what ever in between, why not use OCW everytime you wash the car? It is a good product, I see no reason not to use it every time. I have used it as a drying aid and it does a very good job. I do the washes like Yvan shows in the video now (except I use a microfiber mitt or towel instead of a sponge).
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I am not against that advice . .. I will likely strip the OCW and get an opti-seal basecoat. I think from what I've read that the opti-seal is more durable than the OCW and if it's failing earlier than desired, it would be nice to have a little extra protection under my OCW. I have the gallon of OCW to work through so using as a drying aid will boost it each wash. I suspect that I tend to over apply it because I am buffing the car dry a little more than I prefer (hence looking for an alternative like opti-seal) ....
 
I don't know why people are arguing about which car wax is the best. They are all good and for example I use some butter wet wax that costs only $10 on Amazon. The thing is you need to look out for your car and what you use for it is not that important. I deal with selling houses and people just want to see pretty house, it is the same with the car. They get blinded by how pretty everything is setup that they forget to ask about important stuff. I have a lot of houses to flip and it is really easy because people are not thinking about important issues.
 
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