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Blackdevil77

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I'm looking into getting some HD Speed AIO to do my family and friends cars that don't need a multi-step paint correction. I know this stuff removes light imperfections and protects all in one step. I'm just wondering, how good is the protection it leaves behind? How long does it last? And if I wanted to, could I top it with another layer of protection with something like Collinite 845?
 
I end up always topping HD Speed with something so I really can't comment on its stand alone durability. You can top it with 845 without issues. In the end I think you will get much greater durability with using 845.
 
I've never used HD Speed, but from what I've heard, the protection it leaves behind isn't very durable at all. I think you'd be better off using Mckee's 360 AIO. It's protection is said to have 6 months worth of durability.

http://www.autogeek.net/xmt-360.html

That's a bold statement coming from an AIO, but then again you don't hear any other AIO's making that sort of claim.

http://www.autogeek.net/fco32ozxmt36.html
 
No experience with hd speed, but I used M37 360 on my mother-in-laws truck back in April. Thing sets out 24/7 and it is still beading water. She has been thrilled about it because she can usually hose it off after a rain and it looks clean again. It also isn't getting dusty like it did before. It could have more cut, but it is an aio and not a compound. My 2 complaints are the bubble gum smell, and the pink color that I haven't been able to get out of white pads.
 
Thanks for the replys. I don't mind additing a layer of 845, that's easy. I was just wondering if you could apply it on top of the protection that HD speed puts on the car without issue.

As far as the Mckees goes, how does it compare to HD speed as far as correction and gloss? The protection aspect isn't much of a selling point to me since I would top whatever AIO with 845 anyway.
 
I'm no expert, but I'm guessing the difference in protection stems from the fact that Speed combines correction with a wax, and Mckee's 360 combines correction with a polymer sealant
 
Blackdevil77 said:
Thanks for the replys. I don't mind additing a layer of 845, that's easy. I was just wondering if you could apply it on top of the protection that HD speed puts on the car without issue.

As far as the Mckees goes, how does it compare to HD speed as far as correction and gloss? The protection aspect isn't much of a selling point to me since I would top whatever AIO with 845 anyway.
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Here's the best thread showing a side by side comparison between the 2.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/showthread.php?t=100054
 
I always top an AIO. Generally with Collinite 845. An added layer of protection!

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Eldorado2k said:
Here's the best thread showing a side by side comparison between the 2.

McKee's 37 360 vs HD Speed - A quick review and comparison
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They both look like fantastic products. I guess you can go wrong with either.

Jeremy1976 said:
I always top an AIO. Generally with Collinite 845. An added layer of protection!

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briarpatch said:
I'm no expert, but I'm guessing the difference in protection stems from the fact that Speed combines correction with a wax, and Mckee's 360 combines correction with a polymer sealant
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That exactly what I'd be doing, topping the AIO with 845. I'm guessing you can top either product with 845, but with the Mckees, you probably don't have to with the amount of protection it provides.
 
Jeremy1976 said:
I always top an AIO.
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For those of you that do this, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose behind an AIO? Why not just use, as an example, a Menzerna light polish followed by 845 as you'd get slightly better correction results? Sure the protection may be slightly less but not by a dramatic amount. This isn't meant as criticism as each of us have our particulars on how we detail, I'm just curious.

PS - I used HD Speed for the first time this past weekend on two vehicles and fell in love with it. I can't attest to the wax durability but I will add however that on the product description on AG it doesn't mention the word "glaze" where as it does have that word on the bottle. Regardless, the results were beyond what I was expecting and it has become a main stay product in my arsenal for AIO clients.
 
In the Midwest, Wisconsin more specifically, I like the added protection. I look at HD Speed as a compound and appearance enhancer. For the 10-15 minutes it takes me to apply an extra layer of protection by machine, it's well worth it.

I don't know the longevity of Speed alone either. I'd hate to have issues with customers not being happy. To me it's a regular process. I always top it.

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I did this exact same thing last weekend. I did a CR-V with HD Speed and topped with Collinite. My experience is that Speed's biggest attributes are the Cleaning and Polishing steps it performs, not the LSP. I have topped with Poxy as well.
 
Why even use an AIO if it needs to be topped? Why not just go with a trusty polish like 205 and then add your LSP? This never made sense to me.
 
motion732 said:
Why even use an AIO if it needs to be topped? Why not just go with a trusty polish like 205 and then add your LSP? This never made sense to me.
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Yeah. Although some of the argument posted here seems to be if you have a sealant-based AIO, and top it with 845, then you're getting that sealant-topped-with-wax thing. I haven't used Speed or 360, but every AIO I've used has been more difficult to work than a straight polish, so it does seem to defeat the purpose of using an AIO if you're going to top it anyway.
 
I think the biggest failing of an AIO is the protection ability of the product by itself.

I've tried AIO's from Meguiars, Griots, and Poorboys, and in every case I saw reasonable correction and a finish that looked really nice. The problem was the protection was measured in weeks, not months.

AIO's are a great idea, and on well maintained vehicles like mine they are a perfect solution if it weren't for the longevity. Spray wax boosters work great in the warmer months, but once Winter hits I need an LSP to go 4~5 months and I've yet to find an AIO that can do it for me. At this point in time I'm stuck with a two step polish/LSP.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Yeah. Although some of the argument posted here seems to be if you have a sealant-based AIO, and top it with 845, then you're getting that sealant-topped-with-wax thing. I haven't used Speed or 360, but every AIO I've used has been more difficult to work than a straight polish, so it does seem to defeat the purpose of using an AIO if you're going to top it anyway.
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I am not so sure of this. Mckee's AIO couldnt be easier to use. It gets worked until it disappears leaving virtually no residue to wipe off.

AG has made some bold claims about the protection left behind by Mckees 360 but I have not gotten to test it either.

Another excellent AIO to be considered would be Wolfgang Uber AIO. It also has a pretty good claim of durability and decent finishing ability. It is also relatively easy to use.
 
motion732 said:
Why even use an AIO if it needs to be topped? Why not just go with a trusty polish like 205 and then add your LSP? This never made sense to me.
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Generally that's my opinion as well but i have some that i use for specific cases. Quick hits of paint cleaning, slight abrasion and an LSP affect. For example, Jeremy1976 just posted up a great use of an AIO. He had a client say "i want to sell this vehicle and don't want to really pay for full correction...just a clean up as pre sale".

To me that's a perfect application for one.
 
Eldorado2k said:
That's a bold statement coming from an AIO, but then again you don't hear any other AIO's making that sort of claim.
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Because they do not have to prove that it works for 6 months. They can say however long they wish to say. It's up to the consumer to use judgement on whether it's true or BS.

360 gets about 3 months for me and I've used it for a couple of years now. Maybe it gets 6 if it's exposed to the elements only on weekends.
 
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