AIO's never get any love, but...

[jetman624]

I recently tried PB Polish with Sealant.

It was good enough that I don't feel the need to experiment with anything else at the moment.

No problems wiping it off.

I do plan to top with Collinite 476 in the next week or so, just because I am a little weary of the durability of an AIO with my truck being a DD that is parked outside 24/7.

 

[Hoytman]

I recently tried PB Polish with Sealant.

It was good enough that I don't feel the need to experiment with anything else at the moment.

No problems wiping it off.

I do plan to top with Collinite 476 in the next week or so, just because I am a little weary of the durability of an AIO with my truck being a DD that is parked outside 24/7.

Good information.

One way to curb your worry's is to apply it more often. :xyxthumbs:

 

[Audios S6]

Good information.

One way to curb your worry's is to apply it more often. :xyxthumbs:

Or a durable spray wax/sealant like optimum spray wax

 

[FinishingTouchA]

I use AIOs more than any other polish, compound, wax, etc in my business... it's what the market is willing to pay for and I can do an entire vehicle in less than an hour usually. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to speak of the products I use in this forum, but I will let you know I get them from my local distributor, if you're doing volume this imo is the only way to go.

 

[conman1395]

"In the same amount of steps" as what? What/who are you refering to?

You don't get what?

You don't get these guys topping an AIO product? I didn't say that, I don't do it, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't. M205 an DG would be a better option, as you stated.

I'm not so caught up in what people do because they can do what they want, top whatever with whatever...doesn't matter to me.

Just don't call topping an AIO product a one-step precedure because you just turned it into two procedures if you do so.

You do know that your suggestion is 2-steps, right? At least I think you know that, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

The purpose for me wanting to try other AIO's is to expand my arsenal not only for a few customers but rather so I can do a light polish with decent protection on my own daily drivers when I need to without having the extra time to go around the car/truck more than once.

Cutting...with a compound or finish polish, then going around and sealing...it's two steps any way you slice it.

I don't understand why you would use an AIO and then top it with another LSP.

Cutting with the AIO and finishing with another LSP is the same number of steps as:

Cutting with a one step polish and finishing with an LSP.

So yeah you're exactly right it's two steps no matter what. I'd rather cut with something and finish with something more durable than what an AIO would have for protection.

 

[asalesagent912]

I don't understand why you would use an AIO and then top it with another LSP.

Cutting with the AIO and finishing with another LSP is the same number of steps as:

Cutting with a one step polish and finishing with an LSP.

So yeah you're exactly right it's two steps no matter what. I'd rather cut with something and finish with something more durable than what an AIO would have for protection.

I agree with you 100 percent. I don't see the point of using an AIO if you are gonna top it with a wax. YOu might as well use a polish with more cut and then then wax.
Dont get me wrong i use d151 and love it but i use it when i am trying to keep the price down and the car is light in color and just want some extra cleaning.

 

[dlc95]

I had a lot of success with Meguiar's White Wax.

On a recent paint treatment, I teamed it with a Flex 3401, and a Lake Country Tangerine Hydrotech.

 

[Ebg18t]

Certain Products are just so easy to use. I remember a few years back i knew a detailer that was using OPT Poliseal as a AIO then doing a quick wipe down with OPT spray wax for added durability. It literally took him an extra 10-15 min to wipe the whole vehicle. He wiped windows, wheels, etc with the spray wax since it just plain worked and looked good. He had a steady client list that returned every 6 months or so for the same routine.

He sold Many of them on the rinseless wash with ONRWW and refilled their ONRWW bottles during return visits.

 

[Paul A.]

I have a dedicated customer who comes to me once a month. He specifically wants an "AIO" after a wash. That's it. I have been using DG501 but am looking to try out some other products and this thread is timely for me!

This customer uses his car for his business and puts a LOT of miles on it over a month. I see evidence that it is never washed other than by me once a month!

 

[ski2]

Are DG 501 and 105 really AIO? I think of an AIO as a product that includes a cleaner, LSP and abrasives to remove minor swirling. I thought DG 501 and 105 contain no abrasives just cleaners and LSP.

 

[FUNX650]

Are DG 501 and 105 really AIO? I think of an AIO as a product that includes a cleaner, LSP and abrasives to remove minor swirling. I thought DG 501 and 105 contain no abrasives just cleaners and LSP.

I wonder what type of "polishing agents"
Duragloss puts in their #s 105 and 501?


Bob

 

[Paul A.]

I think you're correct in that i don't think DG501 has any abrasives. At least i don't see any "correction", even slight, with DG501 but this particular customer insisted early on he didn't want anything "reducing his clearcoat" despite my attempts at educating him. DG501 does do a fairly affective job at cleaning and leaving at least some protection for him and he likes it.

Thus the reason i am following this thread for some other's experience with an AIO. I am fairly confident i can convince him to change to something that yields better results. I've had my eye on the Uber AIO. I've never been a big fan of AIO's for the fact it's a compromise in all phases of intent. That is, how much protection can you get when you marry it with a light abrasive AND a cleaner? I am of the old school mentality that each of those efforts get their own dedicated step. The ole cleaner/conditioner shampoo argument.

 

[Hoytman]

Are DG 501 and 105 really AIO? I think of an AIO as a product that includes a cleaner, LSP and abrasives to remove minor swirling. I thought DG 501 and 105 contain no abrasives just cleaners and LSP.

My humble opinion is that AIO products should be viewed as products that clean and protect the paint, regardless whether chemical and/or abrasives succeed at that task. Once around the car/truck...and done.

Throwing the following in for Puckman...

I think you're correct in that i don't think DG501 has any abrasives.

Not sure if I agree with that totally. Honestly it's hard for me to tell if both the product and the pad were at work in the photo's below. I know that pad probably cut some, but I'm also inclined to think the products did as well.

Take a look at the photo's below in this thread: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/74409-xmt360-vs-duragloss-501-clean-cut.html

This photo taken directly after using each product.

The next 3 photo were taken a year later. Pay particular attention at the crease line of the hood and notice that both products did cut at least some...in person the xmt clearly cut more (not as obvious in the photo).

It could also be said that the pad helped with cut. However, since the pads were the same green Lake Country pads, then how (in person and a year later) could the xmt appeared to have cut more, the same as it appeared when I first performed the test spots? A year later all filling oils would have been gone because this car wasn't topped with any thing and hardly washed.

So, I believe xmt and DG 501, along with pad choice, does cut to at least a minute degree as evidenced in the above photo's, 501 cutting the least.

Regardless, and by whatever means (abrasives or solely from the pad) DG 501 cleans and shines the paint very well, as did xmt.

At least i don't see any "correction", even slight, with DG501 but this particular customer insisted early on he didn't want anything "reducing his clearcoat" despite my attempts at educating him. DG501 does do a fairly affective job at cleaning and leaving at least some protection for him and he likes it.

If your customer like the results of DG501 that's awesome.

Thus the reason i am following this thread for some other's experience with an AIO... I've had my eye on the Uber AIO.

I have my eye on Uber AIO as well.

I wonder what type of "polishing agents"
Duragloss puts in their #s 105 and 501?Bob

I think Bob's question can be taken literally and with a hint of sarcasm as well. He addressed the question below a few years ago and I agree.

Mike P., if I'm not mistaken, mentions to go by what the product in the bottle does.

Still...with that in mind...
Whenever I read a product's description and it says it:
Cleans, polishes, protects...such as Duragloss #501 says above...
I do expect an "abrasive of some kind or the other", to be part of the product's formulation.
Bob

EDIT:

I'm off to order some AIO's.

 

[MirandaAutoSpa]

I used to use Meg D151. I worked great but did dust some. Lately I have been using HD Speed. IMO HD Speed works better for me. I use a 5.5 orange buff and shine pad on my Rupes 15 and it demolishes hazing and reduces swirls up to 50% or more depending on the paint. It's the only AIO I use now. I use it outdoors also and it has little to no dust, and I'm in Richmond VA where the summers are hot and muggy!

 

[Paul A.]

Thank you, Bill, for an awesome reply! This particular customer's car is white and let me say i have never seen much, if any, reduction in the marring and i suspected DG501 wasn't doing much as far as cut. Your photos certainly show different and i appreciate it. I think i'll try a side by side myself on a darker paint. And, yes, the customer has been happy with DG so far but there might be better and this thread has been awesome!

 

[conman1395]

Are DG 501 and 105 really AIO? I think of an AIO as a product that includes a cleaner, LSP and abrasives to remove minor swirling. I thought DG 501 and 105 contain no abrasives just cleaners and LSP.

You are correct. I did DG 501 on a Toyota Tundra on a polishing pad and it's correction was either very, very little to none at all. It did, however, clean the paint extremely well. Turned my pad almost black.

 

[conman1395]

I have a dedicated customer who comes to me once a month. He specifically wants an "AIO" after a wash. That's it. I have been using DG501 but am looking to try out some other products and this thread is timely for me!

This customer uses his car for his business and puts a LOT of miles on it over a month. I see evidence that it is never washed other than by me once a month!

With the level of cut some of these AIOs have, I'd be concerned about the paint you would be removing if you step up from DG 501.

 

[Paul A.]

Yes and very good point considering this customer has this mystical phobia of me cutting off his clear coat layer. The problem is he has, from time to time, run it through a few tunnel washes and the marring is very noticeable. I was thinking of something typical of the very light cut of some of the new AIO's that might reduce them a bit but not cut too deep. And even then...maybe do it twice a year for him continuing the Monthly DG cleanings.

The paint marring condition drives me insane however i give the customer exactly what he wants. I don't want to fixate on my customer and I like this discussion of different AIO's based on user experience. Keep 'em comin'.

 

[conman1395]

Yes and very good point considering this customer has this mystical phobia of me cutting off his clear coat layer. The problem is he has, from time to time, run it through a few tunnel washes and the marring is very noticeable. I was thinking of something typical of the very light cut of some of the new AIO's that might reduce them a bit but not cut too deep. And even then...maybe do it twice a year for him continuing the Monthly DG cleanings.

The paint marring condition drives me insane however i give the customer exactly what he wants. I don't want to fixate on my customer and I like this discussion of different AIO's based on user experience. Keep 'em comin'.

Maybe consider using a glaze? It's kinda shoddy, I'd never use a glaze, buy it sounds like that's exactly something he'd like.

 

[Paul A.]

I have all but abandoned glaze products a few years ago. I agree with that as a possible application in this case...maybe even add some "filler" (God forbid) to hide the swirls and scratches... but i do like the cleaning and whatever protection is left behind for maybe 2 weeks out of the 4 i see him. Still kinda stuck on an AIO product but thanks.