Another Duragloss Success Story and a Question.

If you could only have one wax it would have to be DG501. 501 is the greatest all purpose paint care product. Use it 2 or 3 times a year , and if your fussy use Aqua wax every month. You will have the best looking car in your neighorhood .
 
truckbutt said:
Thanks for all the feedback. I can't say how well the #501 would do with significant oxidation and swirls. I gave this Jeep a full 3 step detail last year with 105/205/M21 so it was a little dull but thats about it.
I have to admit feeling a liitle weird about being finished in half a day. Having a good AIO is definitely a good thing!
If anyone is thinking about getting the new Dewalt 849X, do it. It's a beast.
Anymore thoughts about #105 vs. #111?
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Now I'm even more excited!!! My 849X should be here in about 2 or 3 days... Can't wait to try it out.

Also, nice job! Paintwork looks fantastic.
 
Shortspark said:
I don't mind taking the extra step to let the 601 haze and then apply a coat of 105 over it. I then buff both off and the results have always been very good. I understand that to pro detailers the combination of the two would certainly save a step, thereby saving time and to them time is money. But for the guy like me with only one or two vehicles to take care of it is no big deal to do it as intended.

Something tells me that applying them together in this ratio and mixing them up is not as good as doing it the conventional way. I could be wrong of course but if that combination/ratio were indeed the "best" way to use these, the products themselves would be combined in an AIO type base and contained in one bottle as a stand alone product, not two separate products and two separate applications. Again, I could be wrong but that at least seems to make sense to me.
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Jerry Bailey recommended mixing the two products before use to save time. When mixing the Polish Bonding Agent and one of the products, they start to harden after a little while and become difficult to work with. There is nothing wrong with applying them in the process stated on the bottle. Richy approached Jerry and asked what he could do to speed up the process, which is where the idea was brought forth to this community by Richy straight from Duragloss.

As for the oxidation removal, you guys are correct. If the surface has light to medium oxidation the 501 should do fine, but if the surface (gel coat (RV/boat)) is heavily oxidized then hit it with 561 (compound) then follow up with 501. If you are talking about a car/truck then choose a less aggressive compound or polish.
 
Thanks for all your comments. I still would like to know which product, #105 vs #111 is a better topper for #501. I sent an e-mail to Duragloss. Maybe they can shed some light on this.
 
I don't think Duragloss will tell you which is "better" to go over 501, as the 105 and 111 are slightly different products. When I contacted them recently about using something over a glaze, they told me that their 601 bonding agent could be affected by a glaze and that the glaze would not be necessary, especially if the car is new (which mine is). They said that they recommend 105 on older, less maintained cars and 111 for new cars.
 
Shortspark said:
I don't think Duragloss will tell you which is "better" to go over 501, as the 105 and 111 are slightly different products. When I contacted them recently about using something over a glaze, they told me that their 601 bonding agent could be affected by a glaze and that the glaze would not be necessary, especially if the car is new (which mine is). They said that they recommend 105 on older, less maintained cars and 111 for new cars.
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That's because #105 has some cleaners in it and #111 doesn't.
 
111 does have slight chemical cleaners in it . 111 is more for light colors , 105 is for darker colors. They say that 105 will last longer then 111. At any rate use either one and once a month use Aquawax.
 
Yes, that is what I understand. So I guess the question of which one is "better" over 501 boils down to the condition of the paint. Nonetheless, my brand new "Diamond White" paint on my Mercedes ML350 looks stunning with 105. I have not tried 111 but I might give it a go sometime in the future.

Right now I wash/clay/wash again and then apply 601 followed by 105 (there is no reason I can think of to use 501 on this paint). When they haze I buff them off together. I know you can mix 601/105 in order to save a step but I would rather do it the conventional way since I have plenty of time. A day later I top with AquaWax. I use the new Duragloss Rinseless wash with AquaWax and I really like that product too. Sometimes I will use PoorBoys Spray and Wipe for dust or bird bombs but by and large I rely on all Duragloss products.

One think that has me spinning, however, is the Griot 6" polisher I just bought. I thought I could "up" my technique and performance going with a polisher. I bought a bunch of pads (not really knowing what they were all for) and decided to use it on my shower stall as a try out. I concluded there is no way I am putting that thing on my Mercedes! I am not comfortable with it and it is far more work and stressful than doing it by a hand pad. I would rather do it by hand twice a year and be done with it. If I had an older car or a very dark color it might be different but this "Diamond White" paint is hard as a rock and it will always be kept in good shape. Now I have all these pads and machine I may have to sell!!
 
I spoke with Jerry at Duragloss this morning.

601 Bonding agent can be mixed 4 Parts Polish to 1 part 601. Apply within two hours.
111 CCP least cleaners and for new cars
101 PC 3x the cleaners of 111 ccp
105 TPP More cleaners than 101PC
501 Marine & RV Polish this is the most aggressive cleaner.

Protection is the same no matter which polish you choose, the difference is the cleaners.

652 PC #2 small scratches

671 SMP cleaner for orbital machine. Removers Swirl marks

Duragloss will be changing the website to reflect the differences in product soon.
 
I have used all 3, several times (501 a lot). IMO I go to 105 no matter what anymore as it just looks a bit sharper(the cleaners no abrasives like 501) and seems to last, I saw no appreciable difference in longevity between 111 and 105 when mixed with 601 but then I redo every 4 to 6 months on my personal vehicles with the exception of my dd truck. To me 105 but I would defer to Richy's choice if he has one.
In case anyone asks my dd truck gets a once a year polish, 501/105 and collonite 845, The duragloss products are all premixed with 601 and I polish it with Megs 205. It still has protection for the duration of the year, SoCal weather parked outside. It does get 951 after every other wash. It's a simple yet effective way to protect a vehicle in moderate climates.
 
i have never used 111 or 101... My combo is:

501/601
105/601
wash with 902
once a month use Aquawax...


Just washed my truck Friday evening... as i was finishing up putting all tools away, a jogger came past the house and stopped and asked me if i just waxed my truck... i told her NOPE, just washed it.... :)
 
OK. I got a response from Jerry at Duragloss. It may come as a shock to those devotees of #501/601 followed by #105/601. He recommended that after putting down #501 using #111/601 in a 4:1 ratio. Here is the e-mail exchange:

Hi! I love your products. I have a question that isn't answered anywhere on the detailing boards. I have already put a coat of #501 on my car. It looks great! I want to know if I should follow that up with #111 or #105?
Thanks,
Scott

Thank you for your inquiry. I would recommend using #111 or # 951.
God Bless,
Jerry
Thank you. Any #601 needed?

#601 will add more durability and gloss. You can save a step by pre-mixing.
Mix 4 parts #111 to 1 part #601.
Thank you
 
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And AG needs to bogo 111 so we all can get some or more. I only have about an ounce left. I'll have to revisit it in a few months. One thing you can never have too much of is 601 IMO.
 
Scott, Glad your experience with DG went so well. Congrats on your new toy too! I've used 501/601 with a rotary before, but it is more forgiving to use it with a DA. You get longer working time I find. (Just a warning to others).
As far as your 111/105 query, I have used both and my preference for ease of use it 105. I didn't like using 111 as much, although it was at least a year since I've tried it. For silver, white and light colours in general, 111 is supposed to be the better answer. 105 on darker colours. I don't buy the 111 on new paints argument. I think 111 looks more plastic than 105 and looks like a "sealant" whereas 105 has a more muted glow of a carnuba. That's just my opinion, take it for what it's worth. Again, glad you had a good experience. It looks fantastic!!
 
richy said:
Scott, Glad your experience with DG went so well. Congrats on your new toy too! I've used 501/601 with a rotary before, but it is more forgiving to use it with a DA. You get longer working time I find. (Just a warning to others).
As far as your 111/105 query, I have used both and my preference for ease of use it 105. I didn't like using 111 as much, although it was at least a year since I've tried it. For silver, white and light colours in general, 111 is supposed to be the better answer. 105 on darker colours. I don't buy the 111 on new paints argument. I think 111 looks more plastic than 105 and looks like a "sealant" whereas 105 has a more muted glow of a carnuba. That's just my opinion, take it for what it's worth. Again, glad you had a good experience. It looks fantastic!!
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Thanks for your comments Richy. As the resident expert on Duragloss, I hoped you would add your thoughts. I guess for the reasons you stated above, all the recommendations on the various forums recommend 105/601 after 501/601.

This leads to another question. The description for #601 states that it removes wax that was previously applied to the vehicle to facilitate the bonding of whatever LSP you use. So is everybody removing the just applied #501 when they apply #105/601?
 
truckbutt said:
Thanks. Since you brought it up, what's the advantage of Aquawax over UWW+? They both seem to have the very similiar ingredients. One (Aquawax) has polyaminodimethylsiloxane, and the other (UWW+) polydimethylsiloxane.
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One is certainly cost....aqua is a killer deal at 8 bucks...
 
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