Anyone else get desensitized?

[Ccrew]

I also find that when I do white cars only the LSP usually underwhelms me, but all other colors go bam.

I feel like "what's the point" on a white car. If it's clean and it shines...

Silver is another difficult color.

 

[custmsprty]

I feel like "what's the point" on a white car. If it's clean and it shines...

Silver is another difficult color.

With the proper preparation and product combinat you can make white and silver colors shine like a mirror.

 

[DBAILEY]

For white paint try Wolf's BodyGuard coating. I think it is the best gloss I've ever seen on white. Pinnacle Black Label Synergy also looks great on white paint.

 

[blown03]

I tend to agree, a properly polished car will look as good as it's going to get, wax (sealants/coatings) only seal in that look.

JUNKMAN2000 did a video as a demonstration where he asks "What wax is on this car?" And does a walk around of the car and filmed it at different angles. The car looked perfect. A short time later, he makes another video, stating that the WAS NO WAX on the car, it had merely been polished until it was perfect he then says that no LSP would make any kind a appreciable difference for any real duration, the only thing the LSP does is protect all the work you have done. After trying this on my own SS red car, I believe.

I agree with this too , I see no difference after correcting my Black Cobra each year , specially as my technique w/ DA gets better and better .

Daren

 

[Don M]

a ...baby test will tell you for sure.

Is a baby test anything like a "Cat" Scan?

 

[Junkman2008]

... It's just the LSP stage that doesn't make me go crazy.

Don't allow anyone to talk you out of that feeling because I feel the EXACT same way. I have tried LSP's from here to Pluto and the resukts were exactly the same as far as enhancement was concerned. There was VERY, VERY LITTLE to NONE. I have been sent more LSP's to try from all over the planet and I have yet to be impressed by any of them. The reason why? Because all of my shine comes from my PREPARATION.

I do not rely on ANY LSP to make the paint I work on pop. I rely strictly on everything that I do BEFORE applying a LSP. So I am 100% in your corner. LSP's are over-hyped when talking about "pop factor" and people have been drilled for so long to believe that hype that they find it hard to go against the grain of public opinion. As you can see, I go HARD against the grain on this subject and I have plenty of work to back up that belief. For example, that Toyota Camry that was mentioned Don M earlier in this thread. Not a DROP of LSP on this paint in the after pictures OR the video.

NOT A DROP.

Before:

AFTER:

Last of all (because pictures can't tell the story like it needs to be told), the video in question.

[video=youtube_share;0XGwQDVbOgo"]Guess The Wax... - YouTube[/video]


Polish = SHINE
LSP's = PROTECTION. rops:

 

[RPM_BR]

I suppose you should think LSP as a protection, as a wrap-up, to your work, not an add-on to shine. Although there are a lot of 'shine/depth enhancers', your usual client needs an extra protection for the future car washes. As they say it here, a sacrificial barrier (I use this expression a lot to my clients) for the future pollutants, bird bombs etc.
It is a form of respect for the client's money, to add a LSP.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Just to chime in...


I know there are some in the detailing world that have tried to make the case that applying a wax or a sealant, (or even a coating), after the correction and polishing steps doesn't add anything to the final visual end results.

And when using a high quality "fine cut" or "ultra fine cut" polish this can be true as you can really make paint look great with the caliber of polishes available today.

But the even bigger picture is that one of the things that separates polishes from LSP's is the water soluble factor.

Most, if not all, high quality polishes I know of are also body shop safe, this means they don't contain any ingredient that would act to seal or protect the paint and thus create water to bead up (surface tension), and especially cause water to bead up over time. In other words, the results from just polishing can be short lived. The results from waxing or sealing extends the longevity of the shine created by polishing.

(Note: Water will bead up on a freshly polished surface but with a little time and touching the surface tension created by the polishing oils will wear off and then water will lay flat).


So while you might not see a visual difference after waxing or applying a synthetic paint sealant to a highly polished paint finish it is the protection ingredients in a wax or sealant, (not found in a polish), that will preserve the shine created in the polishing step longer and better than applying nothing at all after polishing.

Plus applying a wax or sealant also will tend to create a more uniform appearance than polishing alone will create and this is especially true over time.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I would say, and I think some will agree, that paint coatings do have the ability to really add that glassy look to polished paint, more so than wax and sealants.

At least that's what I've seen via experience from buffing out cars for decades now...

 

[Ccrew]

With the proper preparation and product combinat you can make white and silver colors shine like a mirror.

I'm not saying you can't make them shine, I have a white one here that my daughter drives and trashes constantly. It's actually great because the bird dropping etchings and sap you don't see as much. I'm saying that I personally don't feel that they "pop" like other colors. We're talking sensitivity of appearance in this thread.

Oh, and I don't consider the last pic of yours to be silver. That's bordering toward Charcoal. I'm talking silver.

 

[FUNX650]

With the proper preparation and product combinat you can make white and silver colors shine like a mirror.

I'm not saying you can't make them shine, I have a white one here that my daughter drives and trashes constantly. It's actually great because the bird dropping etchings and sap you don't see as much.

I'm saying that I personally don't feel that they "pop" like other colors. We're talking sensitivity of appearance in this thread.

Oh, and I don't consider the last pic of yours to be silver. That's bordering toward Charcoal.

I'm talking silver.

You mean something like this?




Bob

 

[Junkman2008]

... So while you might not see a visual difference after waxing or applying a synthetic paint sealant to a highly polished paint finish it is the protection ingredients in a wax or sealant, (not found in a polish), that will preserve the shine created in the polishing step longer and better than applying nothing at all after polishing.

And THAT is the ONLY thing that I use a LSP for.

 

[Busy mind]

I appreciate the time taken to respond. I think I'm getting a clearer picture. I'd like to respond to each comment but I'm far too long winded of a person to do so.

I'm trying to attach pics to show what I'm talking about. Hopefully the pic of this HD will show up. It's after shot of a 2 stage correction, Blacklight, Jetseal, and Pete's 53 carnauba wax.
Again, I didn't notice much change after the final polish.

 

[Busy mind]

This forum is a bit different from others as far as posting pics go. I'll search how to post more than one at a time but for now you'll have to deal with multiple posts.

 

[Busy mind]

Last pic of tank.