FUNX650
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I've been to the auto geek class.
You lucky guy, you!rops:
What's the other class all about?
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Anyone ever go to Renny Doyles classes
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feslope
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+1 I'm curious too. Why does this seem to be such a secret?
Robert8194
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Fred
Maybe it's one of those "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" type of secrets.
ShineTimeDetail
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Lol this is true.
BYERS DETAIL SHOP
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I for one, no second thought about it would buy a house. If you have been cleaning cars and i guess you are,or you would not be here then i would keep on visiting forums and go to some other detaling classes that are free or not very $$.and no one not even mike p. can teach you experience.just my 2cents
ShineTimeDetail
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I'm basically 100% self taught. The reason for going would be to learn tricks of the trade and paint correction.
SeaJay's
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I'm in the same boat. I talked to Renny about doing the class and got pricing and your right it's not cheap. But at the same time I really want to do it for some of the same reasons. My problem is I would have to drop the money on the airfare as well as the class. I'm hoping to try to get it done maybe over the winter when I'm slow. Right now I'm swamped and just couldn't afford to take 5 days off.
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LOL - guess cause Ive been doing it so long that I don't think about an organized class lol...... but seriously give me a call and that will save you thousands lol! But you all have hope and dreams that this guy wll give you contacts?!!??!?! AMAZING! Good luck guys - call me after your class lol!
Flash Gordon
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I didn't understand that either :dunno:
If I were you ShineTime I would go to the event Kevin Brown, Mike Stoops & Mike Pennington are putting on Sept 22nd 2012 in Irvine CA. I think the cost is $595 (plus travel)
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It's not necessarily about the contacts its about the on going support. They have the Detailing "Mafia" as they call it. They have weekly webinars and continuous training. It's also a very tight group of guys. Similar the great group of guys/gals on the forums except most have already been through his training. So you are getting 100% professional advice etc.
I think it's a quality investment if you have the money to spend. It's also not just about the detailing portion but also the business portion of detailing. Marketing, running your business, finding new clients, etc etc. He will also go through your current packages you offer and help you tweak them to get the most out of it.
Just my 2 cents. There are definitely cheaper classes out there than Renny's, but one of the advantages of Renny's is it's one on one training on real cars, boats, or airplanes. No test panels or anything. And your not in a class with 20 other detailers of different levels.
Shinetime - I say if you think it's going to help your business and aren't worried about buying a house too much do it. If you'd rather a house (which is always a sound investment) then go for the house and save the training for a later date.
I for one right now am looking to buy another house as well. It's a stressful experience (this would be my 2nd house, I'm 28 and have already purchased and sold a house). But I am also considering the training later in the year or early next year. We shall see how my money pans out though.
Flash Gordon
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What kind of money are we talking here? I just read the part about you deciding if you should buy a house or attend a detailing clinic? Thats crazy talk...
Mike Phillips
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All my life in the forum world I've always encouraged everyone to get as much training as they can from as many instructors and Pro detailes as possible.
If you listen and go with the intent to learn, you can always pick up new techniques , information and ideas that will help you forever.
Renny invited me to be a guest speaker at one of his classes a few years ago and I accepted it and considered it a privilege. I count Renny as a good friend and peer in this indusry and invited both him and Joe Fernandez, another good and long time friend and peer in this industry to be our VIP guests at the last two Detail Fest shows.
I agree working on real cars is more valuable than working on test panels... I actually try and have had "real" cars for dedicated wetsanding class where the entire car was sanded down by students where it was their first time to both sand by hand and by machine. And also their first time to use a rotary buffer to buff out the same car they sanded down.
Pictures & Comments from July 10th, 2011 Sunday Detailing 102 - Advanced Class
Note, the below pictures were taken by Nick and the comments are his too..
It takes a lot of work and coordination to schedule an actual car, in fact a Muscle Car and in BLACK no less and then have the confidence in your students on their second day of training to completely sand the car down and buff it out.
But you are right Jason, at most classes, if the Instructor cannot coordinate and schedule and EARN the trust of the CAR OWNER to let strangers sand down and buff out his brand new paint job, then you'll tend to work on rental cars, demo hoods or cookie sheets.
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If you listen and go with the intent to learn, you can always pick up new techniques , information and ideas that will help you forever.
Renny invited me to be a guest speaker at one of his classes a few years ago and I accepted it and considered it a privilege. I count Renny as a good friend and peer in this indusry and invited both him and Joe Fernandez, another good and long time friend and peer in this industry to be our VIP guests at the last two Detail Fest shows.
I agree working on real cars is more valuable than working on test panels... I actually try and have had "real" cars for dedicated wetsanding class where the entire car was sanded down by students where it was their first time to both sand by hand and by machine. And also their first time to use a rotary buffer to buff out the same car they sanded down.
Pictures & Comments from July 10th, 2011 Sunday Detailing 102 - Advanced Class
Note, the below pictures were taken by Nick and the comments are his too..
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And there's Sergio! I don't think I've seen this guy without a smile on his face.
Tavares wet sanding the roof by hand.
Time to show the guys how it's done with the 3M Pneumatic Air Sander.
Mike tackling the small areas with the Griot's Garage 3" Polisher, Meguiar's 3" interface and 1500 grit sanding disc.
And then it was time to break out the trusty PC 7424xp.
Looks like two professionals in the making right there!
Sergio and Tavares tackle the roof with the G110v2 and PC 7424xp.
And again the Griot's 3" comes to the rescue!
Mike gets to work with Tavares and Daniel to finish the passenger side.
It's no coincidence that we had Tavares sanding the roof. He could easily reach the center of the roof with no sweat.
Mike sanding the intricate areas with the Griot's 3"
Look at all that clear!
Almost finished!
After wet sanding Mike shows the class how to properly remove sanding marks using a rotary polisher and a wool pad, the guys don't waste any time and get to work.
After removing the sanding marks, the guys grab the rotary polisher of their choice, a 6" white polishing pad and a finishing polish.
It's gettin' there!
Mike goes through the final wipe with the guys..
The guys admiring their work..
The GTO turned out awesome!
Group shot of the Advanced Class Extreme Makeover Team
It takes a lot of work and coordination to schedule an actual car, in fact a Muscle Car and in BLACK no less and then have the confidence in your students on their second day of training to completely sand the car down and buff it out.
But you are right Jason, at most classes, if the Instructor cannot coordinate and schedule and EARN the trust of the CAR OWNER to let strangers sand down and buff out his brand new paint job, then you'll tend to work on rental cars, demo hoods or cookie sheets.
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Here's some of the pics I took at this class.
1971 GTO - Wetsand, Cut and Buff
Notice many of the guys are using the Griot's Garage 3" Polisher as a dampsander with Meguiar's 3" Unigrit Discs.
The class knocked out about 90% of the job and I came in the next day and finished it...
The 1962 Cadillac pictured by the GTO was also a car I used in a class to teach guys how to machine polish with all the different types of polishers.
A 1962 Cadillac makes a heck of a nice test panel and in black no less...
Pictures & Comments from July 9th, 2011 Saturday Detailing 101
These pictures and comments are by Meghan,
1971 GTO - Wetsand, Cut and Buff
Notice many of the guys are using the Griot's Garage 3" Polisher as a dampsander with Meguiar's 3" Unigrit Discs.
The class knocked out about 90% of the job and I came in the next day and finished it...
The 1962 Cadillac pictured by the GTO was also a car I used in a class to teach guys how to machine polish with all the different types of polishers.
A 1962 Cadillac makes a heck of a nice test panel and in black no less...
Pictures & Comments from July 9th, 2011 Saturday Detailing 101
These pictures and comments are by Meghan,
Meghan said:Trying out the Meguairs Polisher on the back.
Looks like Meguiars vs Flex here! Nick is read with towel in hand for any polish to fly!
Applying some Pinnacle to the Flex...
Safe first, chord over the shoulder
and now its the battle of three polishers, I can see why Mike picked this car, there is a lot of paint to work with...
Mike giving a little one on one with how to attack the side panels.
Nice to see everyone helping each other out.
Sergio removing some residue.... another forum member! (he drove a long way to hang out with us)
I love this show makes me think of children on Christmas morning crowding around the Christmas tree. Everyone was very exciting to get a change to try out the polishers on this car.
I believe they were practicing picking up a bead here...
This is where a KreepStool will save your back!
Mike Phillips
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I took these shots...
Here's a group shot of the Extreme Makeover Team that restored a true show car finish to this swirled-out 1962 Cadillac.
Here's how the 1962 Cadillac looked when it arrived... completely swirled-out and full of water spots...
Here's how it looks after our students took what they learned in our Detailing 101 Class and put it into practice...
Two Black Beauties with show car finishes restored at Autogeek's Show Car Garage!
At Meguiar's I used real cars for both the Detailing 101 and Detailing 102 Classes and here at Autogeek I took it up a notch, not only do we use real cars but instead of only having to show one product line and two tools, (Meguiar's G110v2 and DeWALT Rotary Buffer), I show multiple product lines and multiple tools.
And yes, there are an average of 20 students per classes, sometimes more and sometimes less but everyone gets my full attention for the entire time they are here.
But again, if you're reading this and you're going to be in the "Detailing Industry" for the long run, then get as much education and training as you can.
I would encourage anyone to go to Renny's classes, Kevin Brown's classes and yes, my classes too.
Here's a group shot of the Extreme Makeover Team that restored a true show car finish to this swirled-out 1962 Cadillac.
Here's how the 1962 Cadillac looked when it arrived... completely swirled-out and full of water spots...
Here's how it looks after our students took what they learned in our Detailing 101 Class and put it into practice...
Two Black Beauties with show car finishes restored at Autogeek's Show Car Garage!
At Meguiar's I used real cars for both the Detailing 101 and Detailing 102 Classes and here at Autogeek I took it up a notch, not only do we use real cars but instead of only having to show one product line and two tools, (Meguiar's G110v2 and DeWALT Rotary Buffer), I show multiple product lines and multiple tools.
And yes, there are an average of 20 students per classes, sometimes more and sometimes less but everyone gets my full attention for the entire time they are here.
But again, if you're reading this and you're going to be in the "Detailing Industry" for the long run, then get as much education and training as you can.
I would encourage anyone to go to Renny's classes, Kevin Brown's classes and yes, my classes too.
Wow, I can't believe that it's even a hard choice between buying a house and going to a detailing class...I would buy the house in a heartbeat, especially if I was crashing on someone's couch.
That said, I have always been against these high dollar training classes. Sure you get hands on experience, but for what you pay you could buy all sorts of tools and products that will actually help you make money in the long run. Whatever happened to grabbing a hood from a junk yard, or your friends crappy car, and just practicing on it? I'm sorry, but no matter who teaches you, you won't be a master in a week and you will still need to practice. There is so much great, free information out there, I just don't see a need for these classes. Most of the top detailers out there are self taught, so these classes to me are totally pointless. Just grab a buffer, do some research, and get practicing! It will be cheaper in the long run and you will develop your own tricks along the way.
That said, I have always been against these high dollar training classes. Sure you get hands on experience, but for what you pay you could buy all sorts of tools and products that will actually help you make money in the long run. Whatever happened to grabbing a hood from a junk yard, or your friends crappy car, and just practicing on it? I'm sorry, but no matter who teaches you, you won't be a master in a week and you will still need to practice. There is so much great, free information out there, I just don't see a need for these classes. Most of the top detailers out there are self taught, so these classes to me are totally pointless. Just grab a buffer, do some research, and get practicing! It will be cheaper in the long run and you will develop your own tricks along the way.
Mike Phillips
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Talk about of FUN class and a great learning experience, can anyone name a class they've seen pictures from or attended where the students were able to work on a 1949 Chevrolet Carryall?
What other detailing discussion forum offers this kind of opportunity to learn the craft of detailing and at the same time work on special interest vehicles...
Completely swirled-out...
Keep in mind, the techniques these people learn how to use with the different tools, pads and chemicals on a classic like you see above will work on ANY car, whether it's a Toyota Camry or a Honda Accord, or a Ford F150.
To me it makes for a more memorable experience to coordinate and do the work of earning the owner's trust to have a Special Interest Vehicle here versus a rental car.
I know all the students that worked on the above Carryall, the 1962 Cadillac and the 1971 GTO all all really liked it.
But if you look through any of the threads with pictures and comments from any of the other classes taught here you'll also see rental cars and late model cars.
The techniques and "head knowledge" a person gains from attending a detailing class from a qualified instructor is more important than the body shape of the car.
What other detailing discussion forum offers this kind of opportunity to learn the craft of detailing and at the same time work on special interest vehicles...
Completely swirled-out...
Keep in mind, the techniques these people learn how to use with the different tools, pads and chemicals on a classic like you see above will work on ANY car, whether it's a Toyota Camry or a Honda Accord, or a Ford F150.
To me it makes for a more memorable experience to coordinate and do the work of earning the owner's trust to have a Special Interest Vehicle here versus a rental car.
I know all the students that worked on the above Carryall, the 1962 Cadillac and the 1971 GTO all all really liked it.
But if you look through any of the threads with pictures and comments from any of the other classes taught here you'll also see rental cars and late model cars.
The techniques and "head knowledge" a person gains from attending a detailing class from a qualified instructor is more important than the body shape of the car.