Are M101/M105/M205 Pad Dependent?

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I currently have M105/M205 and use a PC7424 to do my paint correction. I'm looking into replacing the M105 with the newer M101 since it has less dusting and is formulated for foam pads.


I heard that any SMAT or nano-abrassive formulated polish will cut differently based on the pads that are used, thus eliminating the potential of needing 2 different polishes for a 2-stage correction. I'd like to know if I can use the same polish with different pads and have the results of the 'typical' 2-stage correction.


My current process:
- M105 on LC Orange
- M205 on LC White


Questions for those 'in the know' or with experience:
1. Will M205 on LC Orange have the same results of M105 on Orange? (ie. on a med-heavily swirled paint)?
2. Since I know I want to get rid of my M105 (dusting and caking is PITA), will M101 on an LC Orange followed by M101 on LC White have the same results of the M105/M205 combo?
3. I'm also looking at the 3 HD polishing products. I'm assuming HD Cut is the same as M105/M101. Which would be the equivalent of M205, HD Uno or HD Polish?
 
All products are 'pad dependant'...

Think about it:
-A medium cut polish on a heavy cutting pad will have more cut than the same polish on a fine finishing pad... makes sense, right?

So no M205 on Orange Pad will not be the same to M105 on Orange pad.

While using a heavy compound on a polishing pad will, theoretically, finish down a bit better than using the compound on a cutting pad, It is more traditional to follow a compound with a polish... this is why the M105/205 combo is so great at what it does... Heavy cutting is achieved with M105 and fine finishing is achieved with M205.

Figuring out which product/pad combo you need is something that takes practice and experience. You should never limit yourself to using a particular product with ONLY one particular pad. For instance, M205 is a great finishing polish on a black pad, but I often use it as a fantastic one-step polish on an orange light cutting pad.

Since dusting seems to be your main complaint, I will share with you a combo that I use regularly and I know others use as well. M105 works great with MF cutting disks, and you can almost eliminate the dusting when you prime the pad with D300 and then use M105 after that... add some D300 to the pad as needed if the product starts to dry out. This yields a much longer working time and greatly minimizes dusting with M105.

Hope that helps.
-Zach
 
I believe M101 was officially meant to be used with a rotary... like that ever stopped anyone from doing it.
 
Haven't used HD Cut yet, but reviews by a number of pros all say essentially the same thing--slightly less cut than 105, finishes down very well, no dust, long working time and removes easily (some very early samples had a problem, but this was quickly corrected by HD)

HD Polish has slightly less cut than 205, but can have some bite to it with a MF, orange or yellow pad--finishes down really well and can be used as a finishing polish with a black or blue pad. As with cut has a long working time, no dust and removes really easy as there are no heavy oils left behind and no filling what-so-ever.

Uno has a little more cut than 205 and finishes very well.

With HD products remember less is more.
 
zmcgovern45 said:
Figuring out which product/pad combo you need is something that takes practice and experience. You should never limit yourself to using a particular product with ONLY one particular pad.
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+1

I also like to add a little M105 to D300 when I am looking for that "Extra" bite.

M101 finishes remarkably well as a compound. On a few occasions, I found the surfaces almost LSP ready after M101.

On some paint systems, you could finish down quite nicely with a compound on a polishing pad but then.....there are some stupid soft paint systems that you have to change out the machine, the product, and the pad after the compounding stage to finish down.
 
ski2 said:
Haven't used HD Cut yet, but reviews by a number of pros all say essentially the same thing--slightly less cut than 105, finishes down very well, no dust, long working time and removes easily (some very early samples had a problem, but this was quickly corrected by HD)

HD Polish has slightly less cut than 205, but can have some bite to it with a MF, orange or yellow pad--finishes down really well and can be used as a finishing polish with a black or blue pad. As with cut has a long working time, no dust and removes really easy as there are no heavy oils left behind and no filling what-so-ever.

Uno has a little more cut than 205 and finishes very well.

With HD products remember less is more.
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And it's available in smaller bottles than Meguiars, which means cheaper since I don't use much anyways :xyxthumbs:

psnt1ol said:
+1

I also like to add a little M105 to D300 when I am looking for that "Extra" bite.

M101 finishes remarkably well as a compound. On a few occasions, I found the surfaces almost LSP ready after M101.

On some paint systems, you could finish down quite nicely with a compound on a polishing pad but then.....there are some stupid soft paint systems that you have to change out the machine, the product, and the pad after the compounding stage to finish down.
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I should've clarified that I'm more of a hobbyist/enthusiast and not a professional doing this for a living, but I love using professional grade products over OTC products.

I'll give M205 on LC Orange a try to see if that'll get me the results I'm looking for as far as a medium cut, then of course depending on the results I may follow with M205 on LC White.

The issue is the majority our cars are BMW and Mercedes, so clear coats are hard on those. We have 2 Toyotas that most likely have soft clears, so maybe M205 would be perfect. Again it'll come with experience and application.

Thanks for all the replies.
 
BMW paint can vary greatly, so as always, perform adequate test spots.

My Lexus paint was quite soft and I was able to remove moderate swirls with M205 on a black finishing pad. Once again, just goes to show that performing a test spot with the least aggressive method first can pay off.
 
zmcgovern45 said:
All products are 'pad dependant'...

Think about it:
-A medium cut polish on a heavy cutting pad will have more cut than the same polish on a fine finishing pad... makes sense, right?

So no M205 on Orange Pad will not be the same to M105 on Orange pad.

While using a heavy compound on a polishing pad will, theoretically, finish down a bit better than using the compound on a cutting pad, It is more traditional to follow a compound with a polish... this is why the M105/205 combo is so great at what it does... Heavy cutting is achieved with M105 and fine finishing is achieved with M205.

Figuring out which product/pad combo you need is something that takes practice and experience. You should never limit yourself to using a particular product with ONLY one particular pad. For instance, M205 is a great finishing polish on a black pad, but I often use it as a fantastic one-step polish on an orange light cutting pad.

Since dusting seems to be your main complaint, I will share with you a combo that I use regularly and I know others use as well. M105 works great with MF cutting disks, and you can almost eliminate the dusting when you prime the pad with D300 and then use M105 after that... add some D300 to the pad as needed if the product starts to dry out. This yields a much longer working time and greatly minimizes dusting with M105.

Hope that helps.
-Zach
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Great answer.
 
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