Are Waxes & Sealants Even Necessary??

after painting cars for 25 yrs. i rarely use a wax.truth be tols a quality 3 step buff is all i ever use.and no i dont do used car lot crap.i live in the chicago area and do MANYcelebrity and sports figures.start by educating youself about the clearcoat itself.if ya are really interested message me and i can give ya advice to bring out the best with yer abilities.and for the record i started when there was 1 buffer ,the 12 lb. milwaukee with 1 type of wool pad.no polishing pad no foam pads.compound was 3m superduty,basically rocks and ammonia in a bottle.after compound 3m machine glaze same wool pad.keep er grindin till she gleamed,and if it was black ya might go over it with sime liquid ebony.and mind you this was ll done with the same wool pad as nothing else was available.you just had to float the buffer to litghtly spin the wheel sofrt enough to get the result ya wanted.after 20 yrs.i got friend who still body buid and they all want my lats.12 lb. milwaukee 8 10 hours a day is all the work out ya need.any q's message me bro i'll teach ya to buff and i imagine you'll teach me a bunch to.thats why were here to help evary other ocd car freak like areself.peace out satarule,russ
 
satarules said:
after painting cars for 25 yrs. i rarely use a wax.truth be tols a quality 3 step buff is all i ever use.and no i dont do used car lot crap.i live in the chicago area and do MANYcelebrity and sports figures.start by educating youself about the clearcoat itself.if ya are really interested message me and i can give ya advice to bring out the best with yer abilities.and for the record i started when there was 1 buffer ,the 12 lb. milwaukee with 1 type of wool pad.no polishing pad no foam pads.compound was 3m superduty,basically rocks and ammonia in a bottle.after compound 3m machine glaze same wool pad.keep er grindin till she gleamed,and if it was black ya might go over it with sime liquid ebony.and mind you this was ll done with the same wool pad as nothing else was available.you just had to float the buffer to litghtly spin the wheel sofrt enough to get the result ya wanted.after 20 yrs.i got friend who still body buid and they all want my lats.12 lb. milwaukee 8 10 hours a day is all the work out ya need.any q's message me bro i'll teach ya to buff and i imagine you'll teach me a bunch to.thats why were here to help evary other ocd car freak like areself.peace out satarule,russ
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You state you rarely use a wax and a 3 step buff is all that's necessary or what you use, but in this thread below you state Collinite Fleetwax is the best 20 bucks you will ever spend?

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/products-guides/90355-best-wax-sealant-5.html
 
Liquid ebony or black ebony hasn't been made in 20 years ??
 
And back to the original question.

Yes.

I had a beater and I am pretty lazy. I always waxed the hood and sides of my 1992 Ford Explorer. I seldom waxed the roof. it was always pared outside in the hot, Southern California sun.

After 24 years the hood and sides are pretty good. Some clear failure on the hood due to too many corrections. But the roof which was never corrected has no clear on it at all.

So. No wax. No clear. After a 24 year test. The waxes used were all straight nubas, No cleaner waxes. Harly Wax for the first 10 years and Collinite 845 thereafter.

I got the Collinite long before it became trendy. I was in Harbor Freight one day and they had a box of it on the "dump" shelf. So I bought it all. Can't go wrong for $2.50 a bottle.
Also bought the few remaining Collinite 476 paste waxes.
 
oldmodman said:
And back to the original question.

Yes.

I had a beater and I am pretty lazy. I always waxed the hood and sides of my 1992 Ford Explorer. I seldom waxed the roof. it was always pared outside in the hot, Southern California sun.

After 24 years the hood and sides are pretty good. Some clear failure on the hood due to too many corrections. But the roof which was never corrected has no clear on it at all.

So. No wax. No clear. After a 24 year test. The waxes used were all straight nubas, No cleaner waxes. Harly Wax for the first 10 years and Collinite 845 thereafter.

I got the Collinite long before it became trendy. I was in Harbor Freight one day and they had a box of it on the "dump" shelf. So I bought it all. Can't go wrong for $2.50 a bottle.
Also bought the few remaining Collinite 476 paste waxes.
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Almost same experience.

Co-worker had an older car, I received a wax at work and I was showing him that polish is required for the shine.

I put waxed a small part of his door so he can see the difference since he was thinking pure wax would shine up his car.

He wasn't interested in anything at the time.

Few years later, large percentage of his clear coat failed except for that quarter size spot we had waxed.

Made me a firm believer. Can't remember which wax it was we used.
 
satarules said:
after painting cars for 25 yrs. i rarely use a wax.truth be tols a quality 3 step buff is all i ever use.and no i dont do used car lot crap.i live in the chicago area and do MANYcelebrity and sports figures.start by educating youself about the clearcoat itself.if ya are really interested message me and i can give ya advice to bring out the best with yer abilities.and for the record i started when there was 1 buffer ,the 12 lb. milwaukee with 1 type of wool pad.no polishing pad no foam pads.compound was 3m superduty,basically rocks and ammonia in a bottle.after compound 3m machine glaze same wool pad.keep er grindin till she gleamed,and if it was black ya might go over it with sime liquid ebony.and mind you this was ll done with the same wool pad as nothing else was available.you just had to float the buffer to litghtly spin the wheel sofrt enough to get the result ya wanted.after 20 yrs.i got friend who still body buid and they all want my lats.12 lb. milwaukee 8 10 hours a day is all the work out ya need.any q's message me bro i'll teach ya to buff and i imagine you'll teach me a bunch to.thats why were here to help evary other ocd car freak like areself.peace out satarule,russ
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Holy MOTHER OF GOD!!!!

Is it just me... (me thinks not) or was this darned near impossible to READ?

Spelling, writing... much? :rolleyes:

OTOH... the dude just won the all time "dead thread revival" award! A full FIVE YEARS since any activity and it gets brought back from the dead. :laughing:

As for not needing waxes and sealants..... hehehheheheheeeeeee yeeeeeeeeee yeah.

The jury is already in on that. Been written into law, carved into stone.

The tablets of Moses will continue to carry forward for all time into the hearts and minds of dedicated car owners, and detailers alike.... don't use an LSP and your paint is doomed to failure.

It b gret fur puntrs ut der. many dat kan put knew piant un dos curs dat need dem doh. :D
New pant will b shinny n slick furever
 
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cardaddy said:
Holy MOTHER OF GOD!!!!



Is it just me... (me thinks not) or was this darned near impossible to READ?



Spelling, writing... much? :rolleyes:



OTOH... the dude just won the all time "dead thread revival" award! A full FIVE YEARS since any activity and it gets brought back from the dead. :laughing:



As for not needing waxes and sealants..... hehehheheheheeeeeee yeeeeeeeeee yeah.



The jury is already in on that. Been written into law, carved into stone.



The tablets of Moses will continue to carry forward for all time into the hearts and minds of dedicated car owners, and detailers alike.... don't use an LSP and your paint is doomed to failure.



It b gret fur puntrs ut der. many dat kan put knew piant un dos curs dat need dem doh. :D

New pant will b shinny n slick furever
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Hey. You made a mistake. You capitalized "new" in your last sentence.
 
Yes they are, they protect against, contaminates, bird poo, water marks, harder for Dirt to adhere, it don't make you bulletproof, but it gives you a fighting chance.

That is menzerna powerlock one coat on my hood
 
Cruiser57 said:
I have come across alot of 5 year old cars that have never been waxed and the clearcoat is blistered off of them and the people want me to fix it. When I tell them its to late you should have waxed it they just say, the dealer said it had clearcoat and didn't need to be waxed. Usually seniors that a salesman can fool to make a deal.:mad:
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Yeah the salesman tactic for seniors love it.also the free car wash as well,washing it with a bag of walnuts.
 
Riff said:
Hey. You made a mistake. You capitalized "new" in your last sentence.
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Yup, dat b me turd gread edumakashun day got hea furz publik skool
i iz sowwy dat me dadnut meen 2 do. only wuz b got da kumputer fer turdy yeaz so iz steel tryen 2 lern tiepin n spellin
 
wow ... another 5 year old post coming back into play.
 
cardaddy said:
Yup, dat b me turd gread edumakashun day got hea furz publik skool
i iz sowwy dat me dadnut meen 2 do. only wuz b got da kumputer fer turdy yeaz so iz steel tryen 2 lern tiepin n spellin
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Man...that kills me. :laughing:

People who go out of their way to sound hood annoys the #### out of me.

"wuz" Come the hell on. The person already punched 3 keys, might as well spell it correctly. Every time I see something like this, it makes me want to uppercut a baby seal.





killrwheels@autogeek said:
wow ... another 5 year old post coming back into play.
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I don't mind old threads if it's informative; reviews & technical issues.

This, though, is a bit odd... Like asking if helmets or seat belts are 'necessary.' I guess you could come up with some interesting counter arguments, but empirical evidence says otherwise.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
wow ... another 5 year old post coming back into play.
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http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...sion-forums/98926-resurrecting-old-posts.html
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
It never bothers me.

I write a lot of articles and for the most part the information shared is written in a way to be accurate in the future as when it was written.


The exception would be new products or updated products but in most cases, the actual how-to information is accurate as is a lot of the peripheral information.

I say go for it.


:)
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^^^ :goodpost: :iagree: ^^^


Bob
 
Great post!!! Glad it's still going strong.

And I totally stand by my opinion that they aren't indeed "necessary". Look at all the cars that haven't been treated still doing just fine.

Are they recommended?
-Sure

Are they mandatory?
-No
 
satarules said:
after painting cars for 25 yrs. i rarely use a wax.truth be tols a quality 3 step buff is all i ever use.and no i dont do used car lot crap.i live in the chicago area and do MANYcelebrity and sports figures.start by educating youself about the clearcoat itself.if ya are really interested message me and i can give ya advice to bring out the best with yer abilities.and for the record i started when there was 1 buffer ,the 12 lb. milwaukee with 1 type of wool pad.no polishing pad no foam pads.compound was 3m superduty,basically rocks and ammonia in a bottle.after compound 3m machine glaze same wool pad.keep er grindin till she gleamed,and if it was black ya might go over it with sime liquid ebony.and mind you this was ll done with the same wool pad as nothing else was available.you just had to float the buffer to litghtly spin the wheel sofrt enough to get the result ya wanted.after 20 yrs.i got friend who still body buid and they all want my lats.12 lb. milwaukee 8 10 hours a day is all the work out ya need.any q's message me bro i'll teach ya to buff and i imagine you'll teach me a bunch to.thats why were here to help evary other ocd car freak like areself.peace out satarule,russ
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BrutalNoodle said:
Man...that kills me. :laughing:

People who go out of their way to sound hood annoys the #### out of me.

"wuz" Come the hell on. The person already punched 3 keys, might as well spell it correctly. Every time I see something like this, it makes me want to uppercut a baby seal.


I don't mind old threads if it's informative; reviews & technical issues.

This, though, is a bit odd... Like asking if helmets or seat belts are 'necessary.' I guess you could come up with some interesting counter arguments, but empirical evidence says otherwise.
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I don't mind old threads either... IF there is useful information to be gained.

The "wuz" wuz me. ;) I tink dat fella used was in his neverendinglongrunningreply :rolleyes:

OTOH... he did say stuff like truth be tols, yer, ya, sime (for some), evar, litghtly, evary and a whole bunch of other stuff that any turd grater wood no how 2 schpell.

Maybe the hint is in the screen name? satarules
Maybe that's short for Satire Rules???? :dunno: If not... ol' russ (as he spells it) might need a bit of tutoring from his local 4th grader on how to brush up his writing skills! ;)

But HEY... as he said... "any q's message me bro i'll teach ya to buff"

I imagine there is quite a line. :eek:
 
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