Autogeek first purchase experience- far less than stellar

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Did you bother to follow through with post #45 in the thread you started???
Here's his post, you beat me to it. Lucky pay attention to the bold print.



The Dodo:
"right, first off i wanted to say that i am sorry for not having caught this thread earlier. we try to keep up on quite a few forums everyday (all over the world) and sometimes things slip by. but, finally read through now.

so, the issue: yes there has been a lasting issue with the spray heads on the Red Mist Tropical. one which, as Meghan so rightly pointed out, we have tried to solve with new triggers at least 3 times. each time gaining promises from the manufacturers of the sprayheads that they were completely chemical resistant. however, they have not managed to deal with the protective goodness of the Red Mist. we do now have a grey 'chemical resistant' spray head that works much better. [note: it does come down to storage temp, usage, emptying the spray head when done so the head doesn't clog. these are a bit much to ask of the customer (which is why we have searched and sourced new heads) but will let the sprayer last longer. as stated earlier we have more than a couple of the clear spray heads still going strong, but they need the extra attention.]

the fix: if there is an issue with any Dodo Juice product it is always possible to write us an email from the website. (i would say that we are great at customer support too, but i think we might be out-supported by Autogeek reading this thread so far and knowing the people there myself - so the Dodo will take second place on this one 8) ). Dom and i will almost always reply within an unreasonably short period and completely surprise you.

as for the spray heads, if you send an email to thedodo at dodojuice dot com and give me your address i will ship out a new Let us Spray 500ml and chemical resistant spray head for you to use. since you feel that you have been ignored in this issue i will send you a Sour Power 250ml in addition for a promise that you will exhaust more energy in resolving an issue before you post it as an 'ignored or forgotten customer support item'.

i hope this lays the issue and therefore the thread to rest and we can all go back to our pride and joy and make it shinier 8) "
 
Here is the saga of poor response and is a copy of an email I sent to customer service last night (except that I corrected the Meguiar's spelling):

On July 4th, after days of weighing the benefits of various product, pads and dual action polishers, and deciding between Griot's Garage and Autogeeks, I placed an order for over $500 of product including the Flex 3401 with the Meguiar’s Micro fiber pads and various formula.

This past Saturday I tried to use the Flex for the first time and found that the spindle lock would not depress at all to allow changing the backing plate to the Meguiar's backing plate that came bundled in the kit. The button would only depress with effort about a 16th of an inch and does not lock the center spindle to allow the traditional post backing plate to be spun on (or off). It appears possible with a thin spanner wrench, but that wasn't included and frankly I own multiple angle grinders and routers and a spindle lock has always performed as named; locking the spindle and that is not the case with the Flex that I have.

I called customer service at approximately 10:00 AM and was told that they were so busy that a call back would be made shortly. At approximately 2:30 I called back since I'd not heard what to do with the Flex unit. In the interim, I applied a bit more force and now the button moves through the range of the indent, but it still does not lock the center spindle but it does lock the eccentric weight in place though that doesn't help in adding or removing from the center spindle.

On Saturday it became obvious (to me) that my unit is defective and I asked for an RMA number. I was told it would be emailed to me. It was not, even though I reverified my email address.
On Monday, I called tech support to ask if the Flex spindle lock is supposed to lock the spindle (seems obvious to me) but the rep seemed indignant that I would attempt to use the McGuire's backing plate and said the Flex backing plate was fine and never answered my question. I inquired why then did I have to pay for a bundled redundant backing plate and he said that's for other dual action polishers like the Porter Cable. I find that interesting since I spent a lot of time trying to decide which Flex bundled kit to purchase and certainly wouldn't willingly pay for a backing plate I don't need. He started to become a smart ass and ask why I needed to change any accessory on the center spindle anyway when the Flex backing plate works. His attitude indicates he clearly does not understand the concept of "customer service", I mentioned that the Edge adapter spins off the center spindle and he said Autogeek hasn't sold that for years. That might be so, but I clearly see it listed for sale and I see videos on the site so I suspect again he's less than fully informed and is making excuses for a defective product.

I reasonably expect a mechanical device that costs over $300 to perform per its specs. This isn't a $30 Harbor Freight device made in China though even Harbor Freight takes returns on defective merchandise. I do not and will not accept the arrogance and resistance of your "Customer Service" personnel to do their job. Frustrated with his arrogance and resistance I again asked for an RMA and once again per my experience with your customer service, I have not received it.

At this point I sincerely wish I would have purchased the Griot's Garage bundle (from Griot's) that had the decent detailer's bag not the Chinese made low quality unit that Flex deems worthy to place their name on. My post sale experience with your company is entirely unacceptable.


Unless you can indicate to me that I am just mistaken and had a run of exceptionally bad luck with the Flex unit and your customer service personnel, I would like to return the entire purchase less anything that I used.



I expect some effort to contact me to provide an RMA for the defective Flex and I will gladly wash my hands of contact with your firm.

As I mentioned I s
ent the message above yesterday, and once again no response today. I'm nearly postive with a uesful forum, helpful videos, etc. that this is an abberation, but it continues with every unsuccessful contact.


What exactly does it take to get a response and preferably an RMA? I’m stunned at the treatment I’ve received after the order. This could have been corrected with a call back indicating if the spindle lock is supposed to stop the spindle from turning or if I should have been provided a spanner wrench since the flex manaul is minimal at best in conveying useful information. Failing that, an admission the the vaunted Flex unit I received could actually be defective, and provide me with an RMA.



Thought I'd share and hopefully get this up past the communication choke point I've been running into so far. The next step after that is a letter to the founder and CEO and then we'll take it from there.


I hope your experience continues to far exceed mine.

What color is the backing plate you tried jamming on the flex.
 
Let's start with the premise that I should have had return contact on my queries. Then, that there is presumably a purpose to the spindle lock. I looked back and it appears I ordered the bundled Meguiars micro fiber kit not bundled with the Flex as I thought I did, but rather in a separate bundle which included the backing plate, two pads and three compounds. My error on that point and apparently in ordering it at all but it’s not clear from any available literature that the Flex uses a proprietary backing plate until it’s in your hands.

For the record I didn't jam any backing plate on the unit, it was clear it wouldn't screw on properly without a locked spindle or spanner wrench so I reattached the supplied Flex backing plate. I don’t recall the color with certainty, black I presume, but I’m on the road. I don’t have much time at home so when I’m there I have a small window of opportunity to accomplish what is needed. Does that make me impatient; perhaps.

My original question to customer issue revolved around the non-functional spindle lock but yes it now appears that I was also trying to apply a backing plate designed for non proprietary units.

Unfamiliar with the unit; yep, freely admitted. All you can do is read the reviews and watch the tapes and make your choice; I did. Chose some parts I didn't need but still think I have a defective unit. A simple response could clear that up. Since this post has generated so much interest, please tell me if your spindle lock works to lock the spindle on your unit? If it doesn't then this is all my error, compounded by less than stellar response from folks who should know much better than I.

I’ll kill this thread once I have a response on the spindle lock question.
Thanks
 
As with any spindle lock, it's got to line up with the gear teeth to engage, if you are "tooth to tooth" it's not going to travel very far. The geared nature the 3401 makes it more difficult to "jiggle" it away from the "tooth on tooth" position.

Sometimes the forum answers faster than contacting Autogeek (and sometimes not). Perhaps if you had posted the question here sooner, rather than the later vitriolic "question", there might not have been so many feathers ruffled on all sides.

That being said, two things about the Meg's MF DA system and the Flex 3401--if you have the standard Flex backing plate (and not the smaller one), the 6" MF DA system is what you should be using, but many members have found the system to not work as well with the forced-rotation Flex vs. a standard DA.

Sorry for your frustration.
 
Thank you very much. You are correct on the better approach. Looks like a moderator will need to kill this as I apparently cannot.
 
First off..I have ordered ALOT of stuff thru AG..and anytime I have had issues big or small..they always work on them till they get resolved. I KNOW not everyone has been so lucky to get something out of a box and never had an issue with it..either by not being familiar with it or getting an item that you "think" will fit (ie megs backing plate) and it does not. I think to avoid this type issue with specialty tools like a flex (in the future) is to make a note on the 3401 info page that states.."not designed for use with the Megs backing plate.."
Again..AG is top notch when it comes to helping...there will be hickups..because of people/personalities/misinterpretations but their success at keeping customers happy and resolving issues far outweighs the few that have an unpleasant experience.
 
I fully admit my experience seems to be an unique compounded by my impatience and of course less than fully informed choice. It appears I was wrong about almost everything except for the mysterious function or lack thereof on the spindle lock on my unit.

This forum is great and in the future I'll use it sooner though I'll probably have to start over. If you can let me know how to to kill this thread I will request it. No sense unnessarily tripping across this again and fuzzing folks up when the premise that started it was faulty.
 
I fully admit my experience seems to be an unique compounded by my impatience and of course less than fully informed choice. It appears I was wrong about almost everything except for the mysterious function or lack thereof on the spindle lock on my unit.

This forum is great and in the future I'll use it sooner though I'll probably have to start over. If you can let me know how to to kill this thread I will request it. No sense unnessarily tripping across this again and fuzzing folks up when the premise that started it was faulty.
Gotta give you props for admiting that it wasn't totally AG's fault. :props:
 
Well thanks for that; moving too fast and opinions too hastily formed, but I can clearly admit when I'm wrong (and have been there before).

I found how to send a note to the moderator, so I took care of that.

Thanks again,
 
Well thanks for that; moving too fast and opinions too hastily formed, but I can clearly admit when I'm wrong (and have been there before).

I found how to send a note to the moderator, so I took care of that.

Thanks again,
No problem, and on that note welcomd to Autogeek Online! There is a TON of information here and lots of good people to help!!! :dblthumb2:
 
Original Poster has asked me to close this thread.
 
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