Automatic car wash YUCK!!!

Very nice work and such a shame. I hope they finally learned their lesson.

Am I correct in understanding the insurance paid for polishing due to car wash related damage? I've never heard of insurance covering such.

I probably would have suggested to the owner that they bring this thread to the attention of the car wash owner and demand they pay to have it fixed...again, or it will be taken to the local news channel.
 
Those are some of the best 50/50 shots I have seen in a long time! I think if every automatic brush car wash had a 10 x 10 foot warning sign with one of those 50/50 pictures that you have, then they would think twice about using that car wash. I can't believe how fast they were able to mess it up again...
 
Very nice work and such a shame. I hope they finally learned their lesson.

Am I correct in understanding the insurance paid for polishing due to car wash related damage? I've never heard of insurance covering such.

I probably would have suggested to the owner that they bring this thread to the attention of the car wash owner and demand they pay to have it fixed...again, or it will be taken to the local news channel.

Thank you. :xyxthumbs:
Yeah, somehow they were able to claim insurance for this? I doubt the insurance company would've been so keen second time around.


Those are some of the best 50/50 shots I have seen in a long time! I think if every automatic brush car wash had a 10 x 10 foot warning sign with one of those 50/50 pictures that you have, then they would think twice about using that car wash. I can't believe how fast they were able to mess it up again...


Cheers mate. :xyxthumbs:
A great idea! :props: Yeah, not even a week! Shesh! I wasn't too concerned that they ruined their car, it was that all my hard work was ruined that got me.


Appreciate your comments guys. Thank you. :dblthumb2:
 
Three & a half days later the young lady & her irate mother came in saying "the scratches came back" !!!???

Not quite as polite about it either.

Seems one bad experience through a car wash wasn't enough. All that hard work for not much.

Needless to say i refused to do any further work for them . . . after after pictures:


Quick question....

Did you tell, explain or educate this young lady and her mother that they could not take their car through the car wash as that would just undo your hard work and put the car wash scratches back into the paint?


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Quick question....

Did you tell, explain or educate this young lady and her mother that they could not take their car through the car wash as that would just undo your hard work and put the car wash scratches back into the paint?


:)


The real question is: "Would it have sunk in if he did?" :confused:
 
This is why I don't do work for anyone that isn't 100% on board with maintaining the finish.
 
This is why I don't do work for anyone that isn't 100% on board with maintaining the finish.


I practice evaluating the customer first and part of the evaluation I conduct is to ask them how they are going to wash the car in the future after I do the detail work.

If they way they are going to take it to a car wash, commercial, dealership or whatever then the most I'll do is a one-step cleaner/wax and leave the swirls in the paint because they are just going to come back if the owner takes the car to a car wash.

There's only three ways to correctly wash a car after the paint has been polished,

1. The owner takes ownership of the car washing project including educating themselves on proper technique and purchasing quality tools to do the job.

2. The owner only takes the car to a touchless car wash. Not the perfect solution, (no pun intended), but sometimes the best solution for some people including one of my long term customers.

3. the owner hires a qualified detailer and pays to be on their "Maintenance Program" where the detailer carefully washes and dries the car for the owner.

Not only do I practice evaluating the customer before doing any work for them I teach this in the VERY FIRST PART of my Detailing Boot Camp Classes.


Here's my article on evaluating customers....


Evaluate the customer first!


The first thing I teach in my detailing boot camp class is,

Evaluate the customer


In fact, here's a screenshot of the slide from my Power Point Presentation.


Evaluate_The_Customer.jpg





If you're going to detail cars for money, either part time or full time, then the first thing you want to do when meeting and talking to a potential new customer is through talking to them and asking them questions get a feel for where they are at mentally when it comes to their expectations as it relates to their car and your services.


And here's the true story I share to drive home this important first step.


At a detailing class I was teaching on Saturday, before the class started a gentleman drove up in his brand new black Corvette convertible, I think this was 2006 so it would have been a 2006 Corvette.

He approached me and told me his story and then asked me a question. Here's his story,


Mike, after purchasing this black Corvette I noticed there were swirls in the paint from the dealership. I sought out a professional detailer with a good reputation and paid him well to detail my Corvette and remove the swirls. ($300.00 was the price I think he told me that he paid for the work).

Now I'd like to ask you to look at my Corvette, do you see all the swirls and scratches?


It was morning as the class had not started yet but the sun was out enough that I could inspect the paint and the paint was filled with swirls and scratches.


Now here's the question he asked me,


Am I within my rights to ask this detailer for my money back?


I looked at the car and then looked at him and then asked him this question,


How do you wash the car?



He looked back at me with a dumbstruck deer caught in the headlights kind of look and without missing a beat said,


I take it to the 100% Hand Car Wash in my neighborhood



I then answer his question. I said "no" you're not within your right to ask for your money back because chance are very good that the detailer did the job he was paid to do and that was he returned to you a scratch and swirl free finish.

The swirls and scratches that are now in your paint are the result from how the car is washed. It doesn't matter if the sign out front of the car wash says,


100HandCarWash.jpg




Because the reality is that the people washing the cars are using the same wash mitt to wash your black Corvette that they previously used to wash hundreds of other cars in all extremes of dirt levels from just a little dirty to mud bogging dirty.

Chances are also good the wash mitts are not only worn-out but have been used to wash wheels, fender lips, bumpers and lower body panels which are all areas that have heavier dirt accumulation. There's also a very good chance that the wash mitts get dropped on the ground from time to time and simply continued to be used.


Point being, taking a highly polished black Corvette with a scratch-sensitive clearcoat finish is a surefire recipe to have swirls and scratches inflicted into the paint.

I went on to tell him that after having a car professional detailed that in order to maintain the swirl-free results, that the owner now has one of two options.

1. Take ownership of the washing process.

In my how-to book I describe two approaches to washing a car, the aggressive approach and the careful approach. To maintain a swirl free finish on a swirl free car a person must use the careful approach.


2. Hire a qualified professional detailer to wash your car for you but having them put you into their "Maintenance Program".


He didn't like either of these options. He told me he had retired and the Corvette was his present to himself. By the way he spoke I could tell that in his mind, when he retired he did not plan on doing any work and washing his own car in his mind qualified as work and he wasn't going to have anything to do with it.


My recommendation to him was to sell the black Corvette and purchase a silver metallic Corvette because silver metallic paint jobs hide and mask swirls the best.


Now here's where his head was at when it came to getting his car detailed. He thought that because he paid a lot of money to get his car detailed that somehow taking the money out of his wallet and giving it to the detailer changed the paint on his car so that it would never get swirls again.


He had unrealistic expectations.


In fact, by getting his car detailed he just set up a scenario where ANY new swirl or scratch would show up and stand out like a sore thumb.


The professional detailer probably is very good at detailing cars but he never learned to evaluate his customers.


So if you're going to detail cars for money, learn and acquire the communication skills and the ability to read people and before evaluating the finish on their car first start by evaluating the customer.



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Mike, as usual you make excellent points.
 
I'd like to see this car wash. Where I work our loaner cars go through an auto wash everyday and even under the fluorescent shop lights they are barely swirled. By no means do they look flawless, but I'm honestly surprised at how decent they look. Also, the lights we have show everything because when you look at some customer's car you can easily see the swirls.
 
Quick question....

Did you tell, explain or educate this young lady and her mother that they could not take their car through the car wash as that would just undo your hard work and put the car wash scratches back into the paint?


:)

Yes Mike - as i have stated before in this post, i done my absolute best to ensure it wouldn't happen. Even showing them what they should buy & guiding them as to how to use.
The reaction from them when they came back in & said that the scratches had come back & i pointed out that it had been through the car wash again, was instantly defensive. To me that showed me guilt. They knew they had done wrong & they tried blaming me for poor workmanship. Unfortunately - sometimes the horse wont drink when you lead it to water.

Aaryn.

This is why I don't do work for anyone that isn't 100% on board with maintaining the finish.

That is a luxury i just simply can't afford. I'm a small business in an small town (population - 36000 ish) i don't make millions & never set out to. I will take on almost any job, no i wont do it for free but i cannot simply turn work away just because i feel someone isn't listening.

Aaryn.

I'd like to see this car wash. Where I work our loaner cars go through an auto wash everyday and even under the fluorescent shop lights they are barely swirled. By no means do they look flawless, but I'm honestly surprised at how decent they look. Also, the lights we have show everything because when you look at some customer's car you can easily see the swirls.

Yeah for sure - i could post some pictures of it if you like???
This car wash has been there for a long time & this is New Zealand - usually maintanence is "reactive" not "proactive" down here. Sad but true. I have seen other vehicles go through once & be rather scratched up, especially the wheel brush marks. None would have been as dirty as this Subaru when it went through.

Aaryn.
 
Yes Mike - as i have stated before in this post, i done my absolute best to ensure it wouldn't happen. Even showing them what they should buy & guiding them as to how to use.

Aaryn.

Somehow I missed this in your posts but I assumed you did educate them. Good to hear.

Normally when I see someone do an amazing turn-around I try to suggest the person also educate and explain that the results will only remain if the paint is washed carefully and the leaves out automatic car washes. I didn't bring it up in your thread because I figured you're on top of your game and as expected... you are.

Good job! :dblthumb2: :dblthumb2: :dblthumb2:






And a lesson to everyone else that will read this thread into the future...

Before you do a multiple-step procedure to ANYONE'S car, first evaluate them... find out what they know in their "knower". Find out what their expectations are and if you find out they have unreal expectations then educate them and offer a less involved package like doing a one-step cleaner/wax to their car were you don't remove all the swirls and scratch because they're just going to run the car through the car wash next week.

I actually cover this in my Vehicle Inspection Form which is like a "door opener" to help you have this discussion with your potential customer.

Mike Phillips - Vehicle Inspection Form - Version 2

Read the part starting after this heading,


Packages Page



Have a package for every person, every car and every budget and know when to recommend which package to meet the need and expectations.



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Yes Mike - as i have stated before in this post, i done my absolute best to ensure it wouldn't happen. Even showing them what they should buy & guiding them as to how to use.
The reaction from them when they came back in & said that the scratches had come back & i pointed out that it had been through the car wash again, was instantly defensive. To me that showed me guilt. They knew they had done wrong & they tried blaming me for poor workmanship. Unfortunately - sometimes the horse wont drink when you lead it to water.

Aaryn.



That is a luxury i just simply can't afford. I'm a small business in an small town (population - 36000 ish) i don't make millions & never set out to. I will take on almost any job, no i wont do it for free but i cannot simply turn work away just because i feel someone isn't listening.

Aaryn.



Yeah for sure - i could post some pictures of it if you like???
This car wash has been there for a long time & this is New Zealand - usually maintanence is "reactive" not "proactive" down here. Sad but true. I have seen other vehicles go through once & be rather scratched up, especially the wheel brush marks. None would have been as dirty as this Subaru when it went through.

Aaryn.

Not saying you should turn away a customer. I detail as a hobby, so you're right I can afford to turn people down. In your case it seems like the customer is full of you know what. Sounds like you couldn't tell what type of people they were before the details but let that be a very good lesson to you. Someone who has the audacity to lie to your face about maintaining the finish, taking it to a car wash, and blaming you for your work is not someone you want to give the chance to harm your business. Especially in a small town, you still have to be careful about whom you take on. This customer who you already know will lie can do serious harm to your business, so in some cases you might want to re-think the idea of "I'll never turn down a customer". Just one businessman talking to another:xyxthumbs:.
 
Not saying you should turn away a customer. I detail as a hobby, so you're right I can afford to turn people down. In your case it seems like the customer is full of you know what. Sounds like you couldn't tell what type of people they were before the details but let that be a very good lesson to you. Someone who has the audacity to lie to your face about maintaining the finish, taking it to a car wash, and blaming you for your work is not someone you want to give the chance to harm your business. Especially in a small town, you still have to be careful about whom you take on. This customer who you already know will lie can do serious harm to your business, so in some cases you might want to re-think the idea of "I'll never turn down a customer". Just one businessman talking to another:xyxthumbs:.

Yeah for sure. I totally understand what you're saying & appreciate your opinions, views & feedback. :dblthumb2: I'm not saying i will do every job that comes in. I will & have said no to certain jobs/people often.
In this case - when the insurance company rang me i told them i needed to view the vehicle before committing to any work, thus my thinking immediately was "they used the car wash once, therefor they probably will again" so knew i had to explain to them "what not to do". Also foolishly figured they clearly knew the car wash had damaged their car & maybe wouldn't need too much convincing not to use them again. The fact that they cared enough about the car to claim insurance to get it fixed also made me think that they just made a mistake & was worth the effort. When they came back, rather irate at first & i showed them the 140+ pictures i had taken (before, during & after) for the insurance company & they clearly showed that the marks they had reintroduced by using the car wash again were completely different to the "before" pictures. They calmed down & back tracked & admitted to using the car wash again. As for hurting my business - anyone at any time, customer or not, can say whatever they want, that can't be helped.
I do a fair amount of work for Dealerships here - they bring them to me because they want the best result & are willing to pay for that. Once its on their yard for sale i have no say in how whoever buys the vehicle treats it. Kinda the same deal in my opinion.
Anyway - a debate of my inadequate reading of someones mental ability wasn't really why i posted this Subaru but appreciate every comment.
Thank you - Aaryn NZ. :dblthumb2:
 
Anyway - a debate of my inadequate reading of someones mental ability wasn't really why i posted this Subaru but appreciate every comment.


Thank you - Aaryn NZ.


I think you did a great job and a great service to everyone involved... sometimes you just can't help the lowest common denominators among us....


One thing for sure, anyone that reads this thread into the future will be helped by it and that's what a good forum does.... it helps people...


:dblthumb2:
 
... When they came back, rather irate at first & i showed them the 140+ pictures i had taken (before, during & after) for the insurance company & they clearly showed that the marks they had reintroduced by using the car wash again were completely different to the "before" pictures. They calmed down & back tracked & admitted to using the car wash again. As for hurting my business - anyone at any time, customer or not, can say whatever they want, that can't be helped...
Thank you - Aaryn NZ. :dblthumb2:

That is great!

If folks (customers) wonder why detailers take a lot of pictures of 'their work', this is one big why (CYA)!

Like Mike said...great eye openers in this thread.

Bill
 
I think you did a great job and a great service to everyone involved... sometimes you just can't help the lowest common denominators among us....


One thing for sure, anyone that reads this thread into the future will be helped by it and that's what a good forum does.... it helps people...


:dblthumb2:

:iagree:

. . . & this is exactly why THIS forum is PRICELESS!!! :dblthumb2:

There is so much to learn on here instantly, sure there will be issues that you will have to figure out on your own because every car/situation is so different but to have access to Autogeek online helps you learn. Yes people learn from experience & making mistakes & theres things that took me years to figure out by my self that can be learnt in seconds with a little bit of reading. Wow! Where was autogeek online back in 1990???

Exactly why i'm flying 8000+ miles to attend Boot Camp! :props: Every day is a lesson! If you aren't open to learning (no matter how good you are) you may as well chuck in the towel.

Aaryn NZ. :buffing:
 
Jesus where are you coming from :)



And that is some serious disapointment after spending all that time. When i came to the section about the 16 hours, then seeing the next picture, i had felt like my child had been snatched out my arms. Just horrid!!!


Honestly, i would to attend one of these classes. Where could i find more information, just meeting the master detailer Mike would be worth the trip lol :)


:iagree:

. . . & this is exactly why THIS forum is PRICELESS!!! :dblthumb2:

There is so much to learn on here instantly, sure there will be issues that you will have to figure out on your own because every car/situation is so different but to have access to Autogeek online helps you learn. Yes people learn from experience & making mistakes & theres things that took me years to figure out by my self that can be learnt in seconds with a little bit of reading. Wow! Where was autogeek online back in 1990???

Exactly why i'm flying 8000+ miles to attend Boot Camp! :props: Every day is a lesson! If you aren't open to learning (no matter how good you are) you may as well chuck in the towel.

Aaryn NZ. :buffing:
 
Jesus where are you coming from :)



And that is some serious disapointment after spending all that time. When i came to the section about the 16 hours, then seeing the next picture, i had felt like my child had been snatched out my arms. Just horrid!!!


Honestly, i would to attend one of these classes. Where could i find more information, just meeting the master detailer Mike would be worth the trip lol :)

New Zealand my friend. :xyxthumbs:

Absolutely! Meeting Mike is going to be a highlight for sure! Its taken a few years of hard work to raise the funds needed to get there but i know every second is going to be worth it! You should definitely book a trip to Boot Camp! :props:

Yeah - was heart breaking seeing what they had done to all that hard work.

Thanks for looking!

Aaryn NZ.
 
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