Best beading product?

[CleanIT]

Figured I'd bump this one up rather than start a new post.

PA Cosmic Spritz is apparently the gold standard for beading eh? From the products I've used so far I'd rank them this way: 1. HCD/m799 2. Wet Coat 3. Griot's 3 in 1. 4. Hyper-Seal 5. Opti-Seal.

 

[SNP209]

So far best beading I got was from a 50/50 mix of Meguiar's HCD and Sonax BSD as a topper on M37 v2 coating

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[CleanIT]

Wow! HCD/m799 and BSD are great beaders.


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[SNP209]

Wow! HCD/m799 and BSD are great beaders.


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Yes I was pleasantly surprised. What inspired me was a video by fellow forum member Loach (WaxMode on yt) about using BSD as a topper on coatings.

I read that some people find BSD difficult to work with, so I thought why not mix it with another product that is an absolute breeze to work with and that product was HCD (which Loach introduced to me as well through his videos).

 

[CleanIT]

Yes I was pleasantly surprised. What inspired me was a video by fellow forum member Loach (WaxMode on yt) about using BSD as a topper on coatings.

I read that some people find BSD difficult to work with, so I thought why not mix it with another product that is an absolute breeze to work with and that product was HCD (which Loach introduced to me as well through his videos).

His videos are very good. HCD/BSD are top notch beaders. I haven't used BSD but I have used HCD.

 

[PA DETAILER]

TW HS Wet wax beading is insane.

 

[CleanIT]

I never cared much about beads until maybe the last year or so. Visually it is neat to see, but they do also help with the self-cleaning I've noticed.

 

[RPPM]

I still find Sonax PNS and BSD as hard to beat for beading and being hydrophobic/self cleaning. When this post was started, they were relatively new products. Now they are approaching 9 years old. For waxes, the Collinites are hard to beat for beading.

 

[CleanIT]

I still find Sonax PNS and BSD as hard to beat for beading and being hydrophobic/self cleaning. When this post was started, they were relatively new products. Now they are approaching 9 years old. For waxes, the Collinites are hard to beat for beading.

I believe it. I'd add Meguiar's Hybrid Paint Coating to the list as well. They can hang in for up to a year or more if topped with BSD or m799. They are also non si02 products too. Polymer based.

 

[RPPM]

I believe it. I'd add Meguiar's Hybrid Paint Coating to the list as well. They can hang in for up to a year or more if topped with BSD or m799. They are also non si02 products too. Polymer based.

I just picked up the following Meguiars products; Hybrid Paint Coating, Hybrid Ceramic Spray Wax and Hybrid Ceramic Detailer. I am debating using them on one of my vehicles for the winter. I know Sonax PNS with a monthly top off with BSD can handle Pennsylvania winters pretty well. I just put the PNS on our other car. Love everything about PNS and BSD except for wipe off of the PNS, and the fact both of them are non slippery to the touch. If the Meguiars trio can get me a year, and add the ease of wipe off and slippery feel, that would be a huge win. I have watched MK's Details & Deep Dives on YouTube. This guy used to work for Meguiars and helped develop all of these products. According to him, HCW and HCD are both great topper for HPC, but will probably not stick too well for the 1st 6 months at least due to HPC pretty much rejecting anything adhering to it. He stated if you wait more than 1 hour to apply a 2nd coat of HPC to itself, it will have started curing enough that it will try to reject itself.

 

[CleanIT]

I just picked up the following Meguiars products; Hybrid Paint Coating, Hybrid Ceramic Spray Wax and Hybrid Ceramic Detailer. I am debating using them on one of my vehicles for the winter. I know Sonax PNS with a monthly top off with BSD can handle Pennsylvania winters pretty well. I just put the PNS on our other car. Love everything about PNS and BSD except for wipe off of the PNS, and the fact both of them are non slippery to the touch. If the Meguiars trio can get me a year, and add the ease of wipe off and slippery feel, that would be a huge win. I have watched MK's Details & Deep Dives on YouTube. This guy used to work for Meguiars and helped develop all of these products. According to him, HCW and HCD are both great topper for HPC, but will probably not stick to well for the 1st 6 months at least due to HPC pretty much rejecting anything adhering to it. He stated if you wait more than 1 hour to apply a 2nd coat of HPC to itself, it will have started curing enough that it will try to reject itself.

Good choices. I thought about going with PNS/BSD as well or the HPC/m799. I used HCD by itself and was blown away by how hydrophobic it is. Great stuff and one of the best toppers IMO. HCD applies so easily I think you'll really like it.

MK's videos were really good. As you said he was behind the development of those products. I think he's no longer with Meguiar's anymore.

 

[EddieVDetailing]

This has been my experience with most
beading products. A leaf blower just pushes them around the surface rather than off the car.

If a vertical panel holds water beads is it really hydrophobic? Not in my opinion.

I HIGHLY suggest looking into Hybrid Paint Coating. Very round beads and they slide off like butter. Nothing like it out there.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Out of everything i’ve tried nothing beads then sheets like Polish angel Cosmic, Kamikaze OverCoat and Gyeon Wax. Tried all of the for mentioned except some of the waxes and Megs 799.

Got Nova Lustre and Jet to play with soon.

The Megs Ceramic coating looks good but read it’s good for 1-2 cars depending on layers.

For the price you could get CanCoat and get 5-6 cars with 2layers.

Performance wise i be impressed if the Megs could keep up.


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[CleanIT]

I HIGHLY suggest looking into Hybrid Paint Coating. Very round beads and they slide off like butter. Nothing like it out there.

It would be interesting to see how this stacks up to CanCoat. I'm guessing it would be pretty close. It's a shame this product was poorly marketed or overshadowed by HCW. Probably harder to sell non sio2 products these days.

 

[EddieVDetailing]

Out of everything i’ve tried nothing beads then sheets like Polish angel Cosmic, Kamikaze OverCoat and Gyeon Wax. Tried all of the for mentioned except some of the waxes and Megs 799.

Got Nova Lustre and Jet to play with soon.

The Megs Ceramic coating looks good but read it’s good for 1-2 cars depending on layers.

For the price you could get CanCoat and get 5-6 cars with 2layers.

Performance wise i be impressed if the Megs could keep up.


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Ceramic Coating Longevity Test - 41 WAY - The ULTIMATE comparison test - UPDATE 08 -5 MONTHS - YouTube

Scott HD test. CanCoat right above HPC. CanCoat is already degrading compared to HPC after 5 months.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Ceramic Coating Longevity Test - 41 WAY - The ULTIMATE comparison test - UPDATE 08 -5 MONTHS - YouTube

Scott HD test. CanCoat right above HPC. CanCoat is already degrading compared to HPC after 5 months.

I’m not a Scott HD fan and i’m basing this on mine and most everyone here’s testing. From video Cancoat doesn’t look to perform any worse than The Megs. Not knocking the megs.... never said Cancoat was better. Said i’d be i’d impressed with Meg’s if it could keep up as alot of trusted people here vouch for CanCoat and it is proven.

I did say you get alot less applications from Megs and Scott’s video doesn’t change that statement

Easily performed well for 14+ months. Stopped watching Scott when he went all cry baby during his pan wars.


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[The Guz]

Ceramic Coating Longevity Test - 41 WAY - The ULTIMATE comparison test - UPDATE 08 -5 MONTHS - YouTube

Scott HD test. CanCoat right above HPC. CanCoat is already degrading compared to HPC after 5 months.

His tests are not really gospel when it comes to durability. A data point? Sure. But the true test is actually using it for oneself.

He doesn’t always get the application right. Just like The dude from ChicagoAuto Pros and even Pan.

One thing to note is Gyeon claims CanCoat as a 6 month coating and yet it exceeds that mark each time. The fact it can get 9-15 months is rather impressive for what it is.

Meguiar’s claims there’s to be 1 year. Will see if it lives up to that claim even in Scott’s test.

One thing about Scott is he needs to stop the BS bashing of other YouTubers. I mean nobody really cares.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

His tests are not really gospel when it comes to durability. A data point? Sure. But the true test is actually using it for oneself.

Always figrd if I needed a product to protect a car sitting on cinder blocks in Texas, I'd look further into his tests. Silly to think a car sloggin' around the Winter freeways in Cleveland would show the same results.

He did do a nice vid on the level of defects that PPF covers up so I'll give him that. The 'Geraldo Rivera' exposure vids were extraordinarily dumb though...bothy whiny and disingenuous. Not much of a fan of any YouTube 'testers' though, including Apex who many consider infallible. :shrug:

 

[CleanIT]

Always figrd if I needed a product to protect a car sitting on cinder blocks in Texas, I'd look further into his tests. Silly to think a car sloggin' around the Winter freeways in Cleveland would show the same results.

He did do a nice vid on the level of defects that PPF covers up so I'll give him that. The 'Geraldo Rivera' exposure vids were extraordinarily dumb though...bothy whiny and disingenuous. Not much of a fan of any YouTube 'testers' though, including Apex who many consider infallible. :shrug:

Good point. Apex just throws high alkaline APC's at these products so it's definitely not indicative of real world performance. I've gotten different results than Apex has with some products. I don't agree with a lot of his outcomes and where he ranks some of these products. With that said though I do like that he appears to be unbiased in terms of brands and is not just saying every brand is good etc.

 

[EddieVDetailing]

His tests are not really gospel when it comes to durability. A data point? Sure. But the true test is actually using it for oneself.

He doesn’t always get the application right. Just like The dude from ChicagoAuto Pros and even Pan.

One thing to note is Gyeon claims CanCoat as a 6 month coating and yet it exceeds that mark each time. The fact it can get 9-15 months is rather impressive for what it is.

Meguiar’s claims there’s to be 1 year. Will see if it lives up to that claim even in Scott’s test.

One thing about Scott is he needs to stop the BS bashing of other YouTubers. I mean nobody really cares.

there’s not much more you could ask for when it comes to a large controlled test that exposes the products to the same variables. Same paint, same heat, same UV. It stands to reason that if something performs better relative to the other in this test, then it would very likely outperform it in the real world. It sure is a “data point” that is better than any other data point that exists. Anecdotal evidence does not count.

in general I’ve noticed people become dismissive of the test when the outcome doesn’t meet their expectations or perceptions. Unfortunate but this is a reality. Many installers overpromising their customers when the product just isn’t that good.