Best Dealer like paint protection for new black car

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I am new to the forum, first post, been searching here and I am looking for the best sealant / protection to apply to my wife's new Chrysler 300. It is a Black car. The dealer wanted $1000.00 for their Paint and interior protection. I think that is "offensively" to much. I think it was possibly Dupont R 2000. I have read here on the forum that there are other similar products available such as MCKees 37 and Collinite 845. Can anyone add their opinions and suggestions for the best sealant to apply for the first coating to her new car?
Thank You
 
Hire a pro and get it fully paint corrected, decontaminated, and coated.
 
I am not familiar with the term paint corrected? What does that mean, would decontaminated be using a clay bar?
 
That means removing all the defects instilled so far from the factory and the dealer. If you're not familiar with machine polishing take it to a pro. You'll probably pay more than the dealer wanted but you'll get a much better product and you've happier, and more importantly the wife will be too! Get referrals and ask to see the work of the detailer you choose
 
Have you looked into wipe on/walk away sealants (WOWA)? They're really easy to apply and provide some great protection. Blackfire Crystal Seal, Optimim Opti Seal, and Ultima Paint Guard Plus come to mind. Wolfgang also makes one. I'm currently using the Ultima (often referred to as "UPGP" on the forum).
 
i dont think the dealer was charging a thousand bucks for a wax/sealant they were probably talking about a coating which is a totally different thing.
 
Hoghead said:
Can anyone add their opinions and
suggestions for the best sealant to
apply for the first coating to her new car?
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•I'll suggest to apply one of the below
Sealants to her new car:

-Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant (WDGPS)
-Finish Kare 1000P
-Meguiar's M21 2.0
-Optimum Opti-Seal


Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
•I'll suggest to apply one of the below
Sealants to her new car:

-Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant (WDGPS)
-Finish Kare 1000P
-Meguiar's M21 2.0
-Optimum Opti-Seal


Bob
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I think this is a great combination. There are a Plethora of products but this is pretty good! I would also look into getting Mike Phillips book on the Art of Detailing. Save yourself the money and buy your products and equipment and do it yourself. You will take care of your ride better than any dealership...PERIOD! You can always take care of it when you have the time.
 
I'd be extremely cautious about "taking it to a pro" and having them correct a brand new car. People have to remember that most "pros" out there still work with rotary polishers and use antiquated products. There's no way on earth I would take my brand new car to some pro and have it corrected..

1st question is: Does the paint even have any swirls? Alot of people might be surprised, but some of these new cars are in fact being delivered to the customer with pristine swirl free paint these days. My 2014 Kia Sorento not only came perfect from the dealer, but they even gave us a brochure specifically about how to maintain and clean the vehicle, and I was pretty impressed that all the recommendations were accurate and up to Autogeek standards. I think it's safe to say Kia is training their employees on proper washing techniques. Because the paint on the Kia was perfect, and still to this day I haven't had to put a buffer on it.

It may not even need to be clayed at this point. Do a baggie test before thinking way ahead and involving any "pro" to tell you what you do and don't need. Best case scenario, you can simply wash, dry, and go straight to sealant. That was the case with my Kia, and I've only clayed it twice in 2 years. That's as aggressive as I've needed to be. The paint is currently smooth and looking like day 1.

You can easily test all these things yourself. Good luck, and congrats on the new car.
 
I highly take offense to your remarks regarding professional detailers! I have spent the last 17 years in business developing an impeccable reputation for my work! Your remarks about old school rotary buffers shows me you yourself have not kept up with what high end detailers do. I can also assure you that the price he was given in my area is for a sealant. I polish paint for a living and have yet to see anything come from a dealership without a problem. I think you have grouped all highly trained and motivated detailers in with car cleaners and that sir is just not right!
 
Hoghead said:
I am new to the forum, first post
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Welcome to AGO!!! That's a lot of information in your post. Each item stated caries importance that I'll try to dissect and help answer your questions, along with all the other useful information other helpful AGO members have stated.

It is a Black car
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See Mike Phillips article: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum.../57621-black-not-color-its-full-time-job.html

The dealer wanted $1000.00 for their Paint and interior protection. I think that is "offensively" to much.
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Typically I cannot state what exactly the dealership does, or does not do... I can only state what I do and what some of my AG brothers do. A new car prep with a coating is more about the time involved, the preparation and making sure the paint is absolutely flawless before adding any coatings to the vehicle. To do that takes time, generally 12 to 24 hours.

See the brand new 2016 Stingray & Chevy Silverado's we just did for a customer. It will detail what is involved:

Stingray Post #1
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...16-corvette-stingray-new-car-prep-detail.html

Stingray Post #2
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ingray-new-car-prep-detail-2.html#post1404178

Silverado Post:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...2017-chevy-silverado-new-car-prep-detail.html

I cannot state exactly what was paid for each vehicle, but at this level of work it's typically between $800 - $2000 PER VEHICLE, depending on what is required, if it will get a coating, and then what coatings will be applied as the LSP (Last Step Product).

I have read here on the forum that there are other similar products available such as MCKees 37 and Collinite 845. Can anyone add their opinions and suggestions for the best sealant to apply for the first coating to her new car?
Thank You
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Everyone will chime in with their list of products which they use, which is all but useless if you do not have an understanding of the preparation, technique and tools required, you'll quickly find that you'll be well over $1k by the time you obtain all that.

My suggestion is to start your journey here at Autogeek University: Auto Detailing Facts, auto detailing Tips, How to detailing Guides, how to polish, how to wax, DIY detailing, do it yourself guides and read all that you can, such as; Show Car Shine Detailing Book Combo and you-tube all the Mike Phillips videos you can as well.

Congrats on your wife's new 300!! Does it have the Hemi?? And remember, black is not a color, it's a full time job!!! :)
 
Mike lambert said:
I highly take offense to your remarks regarding professional detailers! I have spent the last 17 years in business developing an impeccable reputation for my work! Your remarks about old school rotary buffers shows me you yourself have not kept up with what high end detailers do. I can also assure you that the price he was given in my area is for a sealant. I polish paint for a living and have yet to see anything come from a dealership without a problem. I think you have grouped all highly trained and motivated detailers in with car cleaners and that sir is just not right!
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So you're highly offended eh? If that's the case then I guess you've grouped yourself with "car cleaners" on your own... I never said all detailers are the same, I'm just saying it's very hard for someone who knows little about detailing and paint correction to actually find a good detailer. It's alot like finding a mechanic.. And they're very vague on the "details" as far as what machines, process and products they intend to use.

Detailers aren't exactly the easiest thing to find. Alot of people wind up at their local car wash and figure that's a better option over trusting a single man operation, and how does that usually turn out?

"I can also assure you that the price he was given in my area is for a sealant"

Ok... What's that supposed to mean?^ Who cares about that? Or are you just trying to pat yourself on back to impress people? Chill out.
 
My vehicle also came from the dealer in pristine condition . 0 swirls or buffer trails . So it Def does happen . I don't think 1000 dollars for a polish ,sealant and interior treatment is too much
 
You should read the fine print of that $1000 paint and interior protection. What you will likely find is that you are paying the dealer for very little product and labor cost; what you are buying is a supplemental warranty on the paint and interior.

If you are paying a Detailer $1000, what you are getting is labor and product, and perhaps a warranty if they are applying some kind of professional coating that carries such a warranty.

I think you'll find that the dealer and Detailer warranties both vary greatly. Nearly every Detailer coating warranty has escape clauses for the company, such as, does not cover 'negligence'; its best to do your research and find a trustworthy and competent Detailer. Dealer warranties may require that you first hire a Detailer to try to fix it, or the dealer's detailer may try to fix it on the cheap. I've also seen companies replace seats @ $2k or more without batting an eye.

Or you can avoid all that, learn a new skill, achieve an amazing finish and be your own paint and interior warranty.
 
You could always find a certified installer for a particular coating. Companies like Car Pro, Optimum, GTechniq, Gyeon and a few others have approved installers for their product line.

If you have the time then you could tackle this on your own. But it will take practice.
 
That's what you should have said in the first place! You insinuated all pro's use rotary buffers and antique products. And it's not hard to find an excellent detailer. And yes I am patting myself on the back because I've worked a long time to get the reputation as one of the best! Whatever that means I am chilled out
 
Hoghead said:
I am new to the forum, first post, been searching here and I am looking for the best sealant / protection to apply to my wife's new Chrysler 300. It is a Black car. The dealer wanted $1000.00 for their Paint and interior protection. I think that is "offensively" to much. I think it was possibly Dupont R 2000. I have read here on the forum that there are other similar products available such as MCKees 37 and Collinite 845. Can anyone add their opinions and suggestions for the best sealant to apply for the first coating to her new car?
Thank You
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One thing I can assure you of, regardless of what they are supposedly putting on the car it won't stop swirls or marring of your paint. That comes from learning how to take care of your car yourself. When you purchase a black car you set yourself up for a full time job.

Everything you could ever want to know and learn about maintaining your new vehicle can be found here:

Auto Detailing Facts, auto detailing Tips, How to detailing Guides, how to polish, how to wax, DIY detailing, do it yourself guides

I just picked up a new 2016 Altima for my daughter and I didn't invest in the paint protection. I never have on any vehicle I've owned.

You can keep this simple, if you get a product like WG Deep Gloss Paint Sealant and apply it every 6 months you'll be good to go.

This can be applied by hand.

Use the two bucket wash method.

Over time you may want to get a da polisher and learn more about the complete process.

Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant delivers a deep, wet, liquid shimmer unlike anything you can imagine.

I have three vehicles parked in my driveway and they are all pearl white.

I have a Black Genesis Coupe which is may garage queen so I have some first hand experience with black paint. I laugh abouth this as I only have 9,800 miles on it and have owned it since 2/12. It gets dusty and hazy just sitting in the garage:doh:

Down here in Florida it rains almost everyday from June till October so it's virtually impossible to keep a black car clean. Keep one thing in mind, no matter how careful you are washing it, the more you touch it the more you will mar the paint, it's just an inevitability.

Here's a link to a 370Z I fixed up fro my neighbor. It's a 2014 and the paint was pretty hammered and guess what, it had the "dealer paint coating" on it. Not after I got done polishing it.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...ssan-370-z-griots-g21-hd-adapt-7-hd-poxy.html
 
FUNX650 said:
•I'll suggest to apply one of the below
Sealants to her new car:

-Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant (WDGPS)
-Finish Kare 1000P
-Meguiar's M21 2.0
-Optimum Opti-Seal


Bob
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My eyes on WDGPS
but Which one of the 4 you think it's best for dust
(Anti static dust repellent)
I live in the desert

I read WDGPS have anti static

But I think also finish kare 1000p will be good
Because finish kare 425 have a good reputation for dust repellent

I don't need water beading
Because no rain over here

I know WDGPS best slickness so I think it matters because less dust will stick to the paint

And I read here sealant better than wax for attracting dust!
So I'm confused I can't buy it all to test it my self because I already have to many products in my shopping cart for testing

So if you try it all did you see any difference

Thanks

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Nothing will truly repel dust. Not even fancy coatings. Do what you're comfortable with in between full washes i.e. quick detail, waterless wash, rinseless wash, dare I mention California Car Duster?

I for one will find a "pro" detailer if I ever need a full paint correction and coating. I'm grateful for those out there who do it for a living. It's not that hard to find quality work nowadays with Yelp etc.
 
pheerix said:
I for one will find a "pro" detailer if I ever need a full paint correction and coating. I'm grateful for those out there who do it for a living. It's not that hard to find quality work nowadays with Yelp etc.
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Yelp? Are you kidding me? I've never seen a larger collection of BS reviews than on Yelp... Hey look, it's your boy, the hack at the local Car Wash. He's "the Best hands down"

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You believe em right? He's got a ton of great reviews. Lol.

I once found the highest rated/most popular smog check station in the area [according to Yelp] in hopes that they could simply fix whatever was wrong with my Check Engine light and smog my Cadillac... The clowns called me a half day later talking about I needed an engine overhaul! Are you kidding me? For a check engine light on a car that's running great.... I told them I'll be right over to pick it up. Took it to the Cadillac dealer where I'm friends with the owner. Later that day I got a call and they said they fixed it... All it needed was 1 spark plug changed.

Yelp reviews are full of ####.
 
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