Best/favorite all in one?

[PaulMys]

Just want to interject on this thread again for some of the new guys.....

If your paint isn't scratched all to hell, and you only have a few unsightly swirls, forget the compounding step. A polish will more than likely do the trick. OR! Better yet, the AIO.

Hence why a few of us on here (Lol) recommend it.

A wise man on here once told me: "Don't overthink this. It's not rocket science". He was right.

Pick a product from the suggestions of the guys on here, and get to correcting. You will be amazed. Then, after a your first or second sessions, you will be able to fine tune your techniques/products.

 

[custmsprty]

I just used menzurna 3in 1 on my daughter Audi wiped it off with the plush side of the towel than I re wiped it with the shorter nap side of the towel wit a few squirts of opti seal. Let it dry over night topped it with midnight sun car looks a mile deep. I went with the 3 in 1 with oarnge uber pad on the foot 15 and mini.
Car had no swirls she doesn't wash it and I didn't put any in it on the de contamination
But will try hd speed next order

Menz 3-n-1 is a great product too, I've used it and still have a bottle.

I'm just partial to HD Speed, I feel it has a longer working time and is easier to remove. I always apply Speed and let it sit for at least 30-40 minutes before removal. In my experience this increases the longevity.

 

[PaulMys]

Menz 3-n-1 is a great product too, I've used it and still have a bottle.

I'm just partial to HD Speed, I feel it has a longer working time and is easier to remove. I always apply Speed and let it sit for at least 30-40 minutes before removal. In my experience this increases the longevity.

And it STILL wipes right off.

 

[DETAILROOKIE]

Menz 3-n-1 is a great product too, I've used it and still have a bottle.

I'm just partial to HD Speed, I feel it has a longer working time and is easier to remove. I always apply Speed and let it sit for at least 30-40 minutes before removal. In my experience this increases the longevity.

Good idea! I typically spread it slowly and wipe off immediately, never thought of letting is cure like a traditional LSP. Thanks for the tip.

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[Octopiston]

Here is my reason: Going over my entire truck with an AIO takes me 5 hours. If I had to go compound, then polish, that would be 10 hours. Then, I'd still have to wax. I like to do 2 coats. About 2 hours. So 12 total if all goes smoothly.

So, 5 hours with an AIO, and I can hand wax my entire truck in 30-35 minutes. Removal about the same for a total of 6 hours. And because the AIO has a layer of LSP, I only feel the need to apply 1 coat of wax.

This is my personal experience only, but 6 hours compared to 12 is a no-brainer for me.

Who said compound and polish? Just polish if you are only using an aio and then going back and topping. AIO's tend to be low on the cutting scale of even polishes so chanced are you'll have better results in fewer passes saving time. You're already re-topping speed so that time could be used on a product that gives better results.

 

[PaulMys]

Who said compound and polish? Just polish if you are only using an aio and then going back and topping. AIO's tend to be low on the cutting scale of even polishes so chanced are you'll have better results in fewer passes saving time. You're already re-topping speed so that time could be used on a product that gives better results.

I did. You asked "Why use an AIO if you have to top it?

If you don't want an easier product to use, that will give you superior results, than I kinda can't convince you.

Just go on with what you're doing.

 

[custmsprty]

Who said compound and polish? Just polish if you are only using an aio and then going back and topping. AIO's tend to be low on the cutting scale of even polishes so chanced are you'll have better results in fewer passes saving time. You're already re-topping speed so that time could be used on a product that gives better results.

It takes about 15-20 minutes to apply a coat of Poxy to an average size sedan, how much effective polishing can you do in 20 minutes, answer, maybe a small panel. Time saved, none.

 

[Octopiston]

I did. You asked "Why use an AIO if you have to top it?

If you don't want an easier product to use, that will give you superior results, than I kinda can't convince you.

Just go on with what you're doing.

How is it superior as an aio? It only does half the job well. The whole purpose of an aio is to correct and apply an lsp ALL IN ONE step. Not correct, then go back and top because the sealant doesn't last. Thats 2 steps.

When anyone using it says you have to top for durability, they are in effect using it as a polish and not an aio. Please tell me, how is it easier when it is doing the same job as if you used sf3500, 04-06, or any number of superior polishes instead and put an lsp on that? Same amount of steps, same time spent on the job at most, and maybe even quicker with a polish that cuts better.

 

[PaulMys]

How is it superior as an aio? It only does half the job well. The whole purpose of an aio is to correct and apply an lsp ALL IN ONE step. Not correct, then go back and top because the sealant doesn't last.

When anyone using it says you have to top for durability, they are in effect using it as a polish and not an aio. Please tell me, how is it easier when it is doing the same job as if you used sf3500, 04-06, or any number of superior polishes instead and put an lsp on that? Same amount of steps, same time spent on the job at most, and maybe even quicker with a polish that cuts better.

It isn't. AIO is a sham, and you got us.

You win.

 

[Octopiston]

It takes about 15-20 minutes to apply a coat of Poxy to an average size sedan, how much effective polishing can you do in 20 minutes, answer, maybe a small panel. Time saved, none.

And thats polishing is all you are doing with the speed. Moot point on your part.

 

[custmsprty]

And thats polishing is all you are doing with the speed. Moot point on your part.

Like Paul said you win, enjoy.

 

[Octopiston]

It isn't. AIO is a sham, and you got us.

You win.

I never said it was a sham. The problem is that people are not using it for it's intended purpose, to touch the car once and move on when doing production details.
Instead they are using it as a polish, going back and messing with it more, jumping on the bandwagon saying speed is a superior aio when they could use another product and actually touch the car only once, or they could use the same 2 steps and actually get better results for the same time spent.

 

[Route246]

It isn't. AIO is a sham, and you got us.

You win.

They should call it AI2 or AI1/2 depending on your frame of reference.

Maybe not a sham. More like poetic license.


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[dlc95]

Here is my reason: Going over my entire truck with an AIO takes me 5 hours. If I had to go compound, then polish, that would be 10 hours. Then, I'd still have to wax. I like to do 2 coats. About 2 hours. So 12 total if all goes smoothly.

So, 5 hours with an AIO, and I can hand wax my entire truck in 30-35 minutes. Removal about the same for a total of 6 hours. And because the AIO has a layer of LSP, I only feel the need to apply 1 coat of wax.

This is my personal experience only, but 6 hours compared to 12 is a no-brainer for me.

This is where Rupes keramik + yellow microfiber pad or UHS followed by 808 sealant makes things so much easier. I get the correction from the excellent polishing system, and follow with a very durable spray on sealant that takes very, very little time to apply.

It takes about four hours to do a normal mid size sedan with that Rupes system. It has made the process much more efficient. Even though the process is easier, I still charge for the steps involved.

I like cleaner waxes for those who want a "wax" on their car at the lowest price point I have available. That's when I use M66.

 

[dlc95]

I never said it was a sham. The problem is that people are not using it for it's intended purpose, to touch the car once and move on when doing production details.
Instead they are using it as a polish, going back and messing with it more, jumping on the bandwagon saying speed is a superior aio when they could use another product and actually touch the car only once, or they could use the same 2 steps and actually get better results for the same time spent.

You hit the nail on the head for me. I've seen people on fb, and maybe here asking: "I need to remove some pretty heavy swirls and scratches in my paint.. Should I get M105, FG400, or HD Speed...?" I just sit there and wonder where and how the heck HD Speed could ever be in the same cutting league with those heavy cut compounds! Then how to REMOVE speed for coating! I just interjected in a fb group, that they could just use an actual finishing polish, and eliminate the headache of removing the protective element of the cleaner wax... That's kind of backwards thinking in my opinion... Much more than topping and AIO - to me.

Also, business is a totally different scenario than a casual user. When I'm messing with our cars here at home, I have no problem topping an AIO. Keeps me in the garage, a good therapy session.

If I'm on a job, that AIO is done after air wipe it off. The last thing on my mind is topping it with anything.

 

[Eldorado2k]

If I'm on a job, that AIO is done after air wipe it off. The last thing on my mind is topping it with anything.

Preach!

*Sunday*
True 1 step w/Meguiars D151 using LC HD Orbital Orange Foam pads.

Here's a 50/50 shot of what 1 section pass did for the paint.

Pleased with the results.

 

[tampatopless]

Wow, El D. Beautiful.

 

[dlc95]

Look at all my typos...

 

[Eldorado2k]

Wow, El D. Beautiful.

Thank you, sir.

 

[TMQ]

Those are great pictures!

Tom