Best products for Single Stage paint?

So you don't think my paint is bad enough to use #7 before to rejuvenate it? If so then after washing and claying, I'll use swirl remover, PO85RD, maybe #7?, DP Poli Coat Paint Sealant, then some PB LNB
 
Fly bye said:
Paint cleaners/compounds are used prior to #7 show car glaze.
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Glaze first-compound later? How weird is that?

As strange as it may sound, using #7 prior to paint correction just flat works on SS paint.
I felt the same way earlier this year while trying to restore the finish on my old El Camino. Frustrated with the poor results of trying "conventional " methods, I tried Mike P's process just on blind faith. The improvement was remarkable.

Here's a 50 /50 shot (more like 60/40) of my silver metallic roof. 4 or 5 aggressive applications of #7, including an overnight soak on the first app, and I got this much improvement prior to a buff with Meg's #80.

I use a bunch of Meguiar's products, but I'll never be without a jug of #7 on my shelf.

Bill
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A few notes about glazes.

Glazes contain no abrasives or cleaners.

Glazes contain oils and fillers and other products that really make the finish look wet and very glossy. This was the go to product for most car show enthusiasts but the downside is the look and application is only temporary and offers no protection at all.

Glazes should be be the last product before your last step protection.
 
BobbyG said:
A few notes about glazes.

Glazes contain no abrasives or cleaners.

Glazes contain oils and fillers and other products that really make the finish look wet and very glossy. This was the go to product for most car show enthusiasts but the downside is the look and application is only temporary and offers no protection at all.

Glazes should be be the last product before your last step protection.
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Hi Bob,

Happy New Year! I've been recently rethinking #7 as a product that can nourish SS paint from the inside out, in addition to filling swirls. Do you think that a glaze like #7 could do that?

I remember the mantra about nourishing the paint 20+ years ago and used glazes throughout the 80s, 90s and 00s before waxing. What really got me thinking about it again was Mike P's post about restoring SS paint on the Continental that he treated with #7 instead of using an abrasive. Ok that and the fact that I just tossed out a near empty 20-year old bottle of it. BillyJack's comments about his El Camino kind of supports this theory too.

It's been 10+ years since I worked with SS paint, but I used to use #7 before wax (to nourish and add gloss). It was remarkable with a dryed out, oxidized red Toyota's paint that had been left in the sun for years with no wax and few car washes (friend's car).

I know it sounds backwards, but there may be something to nourishing the SS paint with a glaze like #7 as a first rejuvenation step. After getting oils back into the paint (like BillyJack's overnight first step or Mike's Continental rejuvenation), maybe that's when one removes remaining oxidation and swirls with older SS paint in bad shape. What I'm not sure about is if the paint swells with the new oils and then drys out again shortly afterward making remaining swirls noticable.

J1n93's truck paint looks to be in great shape, so the swirl remover and PO85rd may be more than adequate to add oils and gloss to the paint without a glaze and before using the sealant.

Do you think that I've lost it? Can a glaze really nourish SS paint from the inside out?
 
One can always try Mike's method of nourishing the SS paint with #7.
Since it has no abrasives etc. there's no risk in testing etc.

Like divide a panel into two, apply just the glaze to one half and do proper corrections on the other.

Now that comparison pic will clear all doubts for us! :D
 
Hey Kurt,

Happy New Year to you too!

Crazy, absolutely not Kurt, you're thinking!

I always thought the Meguiar's #7 glaze was more at home on single stage paints. I found that Meguiar's #7 worked exceptionally well when really worked into the pores of the paint and in my opinion adds nourishment so looking at it this way you are revitalizing the paint from the inside out!

Finishes that seem tired benefit from products like Meguiar's #7 but unfortunately it's not permanent. Meguiar's #7 was never intended to last as it was designed beautify the finish short term. Anything the glaze hides will return and the reason we polish.

Removing swirls by compounding and polishing and then hitting it with Menzerna PO85RD really makes a finish shine like glass. Once the defects are removed there really no need to a glaze.

I'm not sure if I helped allot............
 
BobbyG said:
Hey Kurt,

Happy New Year to you too!

Crazy, absolutely not Kurt, you're thinking!

I always thought the Meguiar's #7 glaze was more at home on single stage paints. I found that Meguiar's #7 worked exceptionally well when really worked into the pores of the paint and in my opinion adds nourishment so looking at it this way you are revitalizing the paint from the inside out!

Finishes that seem tired benefit from products like Meguiar's #7 but unfortunately it's not permanent. Meguiar's #7 was never intended to last as it was designed beautify the finish short term. Anything the glaze hides will return and the reason we polish.

Removing swirls by compounding and polishing and then hitting it with Menzerna PO85RD really makes a finish shine like glass. Once the defects are removed there really no need to a glaze.

I'm not sure if I helped allot............
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I decided to try thinking for a change in 2011. :dblthumb2:

How come Mike P's Continental looked so good after the multiple applications of #7 then wax? Do you think that it is just filling swirls or is there something longer term that could be locked in with a sealant or quality wax where another nourishment in 3-4 months plus a wax restores that good look?

I know fundimentally that removing paint to remove swirls is what is necessary for permanent correction, but sometimes I wonder if we overthink and overwork things. Kind of less is more in the OCD world that I find myself in.

Kurt
 
Kurt_s said:
I decided to try thinking for a change in 2011. :dblthumb2:

How come Mike P's Continental looked so good after the multiple applications of #7 then wax? Do you think that it is just filling swirls or is there something longer term that could be locked in with a sealant or quality wax where another nourishment in 3-4 months plus a wax restores that good look?

I know fundimentally that removing paint to remove swirls is what is necessary for permanent correction, but sometimes I wonder if we overthink and overwork things. Kind of less is more in the OCD world that I find myself in.

Kurt
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Hey Kurt,

I think that's all it was doing. It was probably a couple of coats of #7 worked into the paint and hen sealed in nicely but a good quality wax.

Over time I'm pretty sure that the cure Mike's done will naturally degrade over time and will need to be redone. I don't thing there is any permanent solution to swirls other then mechanically remove them..

I agree that sometimes we tend to over complicate things but those shortcuts we sometimes call solutions are only temporary..
 
I think I'll test my hood in the spring and use #7 before hand on one half and straight to swirl remover on the other.
 
BobbyG said:
Hey Kurt,

I think that's all it was doing. It was probably a couple of coats of #7 worked into the paint and hen sealed in nicely but a good quality wax.

Over time I'm pretty sure that the cure Mike's done will naturally degrade over time and will need to be redone. I don't thing there is any permanent solution to swirls other then mechanically remove them..

I agree that sometimes we tend to over complicate things but those shortcuts we sometimes call solutions are only temporary..
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Man I'll tell you one thing, I've got to start proof reading my posts because this one's a real beauty! :doh:

Personally, I think that's all it was doing. It was probably a couple of coats of #7 worked into the paint then sealed in nicely with a good quality wax.

Over time I'm pretty sure the cure Mike's performed will naturally degrade over time and will need to be redone. I don't think there is any permanent solution to swirls other then mechanically remove them..

I agree that sometimes we tend to over complicate things but those shortcuts we sometimes call solutions are only temporary.
 
Well I was hoping to use the #7 to add some "moisture" to the paint. After using it, I would like to actually correct the paint. Saying that, I would need to remove the fillers to see the true condition of the paint. What would be best? Some cg citrus wash and gloss? In the end, should I just do a 50/50 of the hood or roof to find out if I should use it prior to swirl removal?
 
Others may argue, but I don't think #7 does much as far as filling or hiding defects. It's strength is as an "enrichener" or "moisturizer" IMO. Also, the oils on the surface of the paint don't last long at all. I don't see any need to do serious cleaning or stripping after a #7 treatment. I guess you could always do a quick alcohol wipe to be sure.

Bill
 
BillyJack said:
Others may argue, but I don't think #7 does much as far as filling or hiding defects. It's strength is as an "enrichener" or "moisturizer" IMO. Also, the oils on the surface of the paint don't last long at all. I don't see any need to do serious cleaning or stripping after a #7 treatment. I guess you could always do a quick alcohol wipe to be sure.

Bill
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Is IPA safe for SS paint? What would be to best cleaner for SS? Mineral Spirits?
 
I use mineral spirits regularly to clean grease, tar etc., but for this task I'd use IPA. It evaporates much faster, so a quick wipe to check the finish would be less prone to dissolve the #7 that has already penetrated the paint, thereby undoing your previous hard work.

Bill
 
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