Best Swirl Remover for a black Car

I guess we are assuming its a BC/CC car because most black cars are that have been made in the past 30 years or so. Now this could be like a black 1949 Packard, but somehow I doubt it. When I recommended Optimum, WG, and Menz as "idiot proof", I wasn't calling the OP an idiot. I specifically recommended these lines for a reason, because they all contain an ultrafine style polish and all have long work times throughout the line. You won't know how soft or hard your paint is until you start working on it, so if you are going to work on it, you should have at least one untrafine style polish around and a few super soft pads in case your paint is soft and prone to micromarring.

I know some people here love Meg's, but we have all seen threads where 205 left micromarring on soft black paint. If 205 doesn't take care of it, I guess 105 is your compound. I don't think anyone would call that product user friendly for a first time polisher. Why would you recommend a noob deal with that??? And before someone posts "who said this is a first time polisher?", the OP mentioned in the other thread he doesn't have a DA, but may get one. I'm not sure about 3M stuff, I thought most of it was designed for a professional EXPERIENCED user with a rotary. They may make some polishes that can be used with a DA, but why wouldn't you use a whole line of products designed to be used with a DA?

No nothing is idiot proof. You could beat the bottle against your paint, or dump the whole bottle on your pad and sling it all over your garage. But, there are products that tend to be easier to use than others.

Dunno. Just trying to give good advice for some easy polishes to use with a DA.
 
No vote for an AIO huh .... could remove swirls and lay down protection all at once.
 
swanicyouth said:
I guess we are assuming its a BC/CC car because most black cars are that have been made in the past 30 years or so. Now this could be like a black 1949 Packard, but somehow I doubt it. When I recommended Optimum, WG, and Menz as "idiot proof", I wasn't calling the OP an idiot. I specifically recommended these lines for a reason, because they all contain an ultrafine style polish and all have long work times throughout the line. You won't know how soft or hard your paint is until you start working on it, so if you are going to work on it, you should have at least one untrafine style polish around and a few super soft pads in case your paint is soft and prone to micromarring.

I know some people here love Meg's, but we have all seen threads where 205 left micromarring on soft black paint. If 205 doesn't take care of it, I guess 105 is your compound. I don't think anyone would call that product user friendly for a first time polisher. Why would you recommend a noob deal with that??? And before someone posts "who said this is a first time polisher?", the OP mentioned in the other thread he doesn't have a DA, but may get one. I'm not sure about 3M stuff, I thought most of it was designed for a professional EXPERIENCED user with a rotary. They may make some polishes that can be used with a DA, but why wouldn't you use a whole line of products designed to be used with a DA?

No nothing is idiot proof. You could beat the bottle against your paint, or dump the whole bottle on your pad and sling it all over your garage. But, there are products that tend to be easier to use than others.

Dunno. Just trying to give good advice for some easy polishes to use with a DA.
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Yeah there are some of us that love Megs.....

That's because some of us have been using their products for a very long time... because they work...... been using them over 30 years.


M205 does have a long work time and very fine abrasives and that's why it finishes out as fine as it does... And on their Beige Finishing pad that is super soft ..... It's very mild....

But no, I would have recommended Ultimate Compound or Scratch X. Would have been Swirl X for softer paints or UP. As M105 isn't that easy to work with for some people.

For an AIO I would say XMT 360 or D151 would be some nice choices.
 
MarkD51 said:
There's of course a whole lotta truth in your statements. And I concur-agree.

Not pointing any fingers at any one member-person, but there are the various "camps of thought".

Such as "But my BMW cost $80K, and a $22 bottle of Meguiars can't possibly be any good, if I haven't spent what the average person makes in a week on a bottle of wax, or polish, it can't in anyway be good"! Of course as you gents-gals in the "know" know, this is false.

Thus, just throwing money at something, like somewhat in the audio community, you could put together a $100K Audio System, and still come away with mid-fi sound if there isn't some experience, knowledge, and wisdom imparted-used.

Snobbery, and many times in life, we can often be our own worst enemies.

Car care is fun, or it is supposed to be fun, and rewarding, just like any other hobby, or endeavor-art. Just like audio, and music, it is to be enjoyed, loved, embraced. And of course there's a learning curve.

Even this old man such as myself has learned a whole heck of a lot in my little over a year of membership here, and I have all of you to thank! A big thank you to all you fine folks! :xyxthumbs:

Mike Phillips, our master forum guru, and cutting edge professional has previously sang the praises about such products as Meg's Mirror Glaze 205. And not because he once worked for Meguiars either. Without a doubt, Mike himself has determined-learned what works, and what doesn't by hard experience, long hours invested, and how to achieve pleasing results, and as he says "work forward, not backwards".

All of us here have one major theme, and love in common. We cherish our Chariots!
MArk
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I would say people would have a very hard time beating M26 for looks on darker colors and that wouldn't matter what product and how expensive it was.

Yeah and Mike still does praise M205 because it works...... :xyxthumbs:
 
swanicyouth said:
I guess we are assuming its a BC/CC car because most black cars are that have been made in the past 30 years or so.
Now this could be like a black 1949 Packard, but somehow I doubt it.
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Most is the definitive word.
For the last 30+ years...
Plenty of OEM's have been, and still are...even today, spraying SS Black.
I personally know one such vehicle owner---Me.

Perhaps the OP's is SS.
If so: Many of the suggestions tendered may still work.


Bob
 
I'd never recommend 105 to a noob, I always tell them to use UC being that is user friendly and a great way to learn using a DA and polish.
I've never had issues using 205 on any paint, in fact I just love what it does for me:dblthumb2:

#9 is a great product for very light swirls, easy to work with and wipes off so easy, leaves a great shine too.



swanicyouth said:
I guess we are assuming its a BC/CC car because most black cars are that have been made in the past 30 years or so. Now this could be like a black 1949 Packard, but somehow I doubt it. When I recommended Optimum, WG, and Menz as "idiot proof", I wasn't calling the OP an idiot. I specifically recommended these lines for a reason, because they all contain an ultrafine style polish and all have long work times throughout the line. You won't know how soft or hard your paint is until you start working on it, so if you are going to work on it, you should have at least one untrafine style polish around and a few super soft pads in case your paint is soft and prone to micromarring.

I know some people here love Meg's, but we have all seen threads where 205 left micromarring on soft black paint. If 205 doesn't take care of it, I guess 105 is your compound. I don't think anyone would call that product user friendly for a first time polisher. Why would you recommend a noob deal with that??? And before someone posts "who said this is a first time polisher?", the OP mentioned in the other thread he doesn't have a DA, but may get one. I'm not sure about 3M stuff, I thought most of it was designed for a professional EXPERIENCED user with a rotary. They may make some polishes that can be used with a DA, but why wouldn't you use a whole line of products designed to be used with a DA?

No nothing is idiot proof. You could beat the bottle against your paint, or dump the whole bottle on your pad and sling it all over your garage. But, there are products that tend to be easier to use than others.

Dunno. Just trying to give good advice for some easy polishes to use with a DA.
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FUNX725 said:
Most is the definitive word.
For the last 30+ years...
Plenty of OEM's have been, and still are...even today, spraying SS Black.
I personally know one such vehicle owner---Me.

Perhaps the OP's is SS.
If so: Many of the suggestions tendered may still work.


Bob
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What car is that that is SS? Your Vette?
 
Threads like this get so complicated the OP's head is probably spinning.

Buy harbor freight DA
Get the megs MF correction system
.....?
Success

Buy DA from autogeek
Get the Wolfgang twins, the optimum hyper duo or any other due. Heck even a moderate polish like 205 alone would probably work.
.......?
Success!

Sent from my DROID RAZR using AG Online
 
HateSwirls said:
I'd never recommend 105 to a noob, I always tell them to use UC being that is user friendly and a great way to learn using a DA and polish.
I've never had issues using 205 on any paint, in fact I just love what it does for me:dblthumb2:

#9 is a great product for very light swirls, easy to work with and wipes off so easy, leaves a great shine too.
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Gotta love that nice highly polished wet look that M205 leaves the finish in. :dblthumb2:
 
What I love about it the most is if a car has only light swirls you can get by with just one step.
You're right, it looks like it was just waxed, I can't say enough good things about the 205.
Having the right pad makes all the difference.
When doing my test area I try a couple of pads to see which one is best then take it from there. :dblthumb2:

If anyone has never tried the 205 buy yourself the 8oz bottle to see for yourself how well it works, I'm pretty certain you'd buy the quart size before you finish one panel. Lol


jankerson said:
Yeah it's like do I really need to wax it? :buffing:
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HateSwirls said:
What I love about it the most is if a car has only light swirls you can get by with just one step.
You're right, it looks like it was just waxed, I can't say enough good things about the 205.
Having the right pad makes all the difference.
When doing my test area I try a couple of pads to see which one is best then take it from there. :dblthumb2:

If anyone has never tried the 205 buy yourself the 8oz bottle to see for yourself how well it works, I'm pretty certain you'd buy the quart size before you finish one panel. Lol
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Especially if they used M105 1st then it's even quicker to that high level of finish.
 
OP, check out the Menzerna line of polishes. They're fantastic. The best defense however is to apply some permanent protection for your paint. For a black car, you'll want something thick and protective to prevent those swirls, and carnauba just aint gonna do it. Try Polish angel cosmic, or Gtechniq C1, or Cquartz, 22ple, etc. You get the idea. If your not interested in either of those options, try some AIO polishes. They mask some of the swirls while removing some of the others. Hope this helps!
 
PrimeDetailNC said:
OP, check out the Menzerna line of polishes. They're fantastic. The best defense however is to apply some permanent protection for your paint. For a black car, you'll want something thick and protective to prevent those swirls, and carnauba just aint gonna do it. Try Polish angel cosmic, or Gtechniq C1, or Cquartz, 22ple, etc. You get the idea. If your not interested in either of those options, try some AIO polishes. They mask some of the swirls while removing some of the others. Hope this helps!
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Actually I currently use megs26 and love it! I just ordered the menzerna polish and finish from ag. However as I am new to detailing my own car am in the process of getting a polisher as I understand that it can make a huge difference. I might hold off on doing the polish until spring as I'm from pa and the tempature outside is dropping. But if it stayed in the 50s in December that would be a different story. I have to be honest I am a little nervous since this is my first time polishing my car. I will be leaning on the side of less polish and just assuming my paint is more sensitive.

Ben
 
Irishwoodchuck said:
Actually I currently use megs26 and love it! I just ordered the menzerna polish and finish from ag. However as I am new to detailing my own car am in the process of getting a polisher as I understand that it can make a huge difference. I might hold off on doing the polish until spring as I'm from pa and the tempature outside is dropping. But if it stayed in the 50s in December that would be a different story. I have to be honest I am a little nervous since this is my first time polishing my car. I will be leaning on the side of less polish and just assuming my paint is more sensitive.

Ben
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Hi again,
Now while I sang praises about Meguiars Polishes, to tell the truth I was never a big fan of their waxes. Not at all. To me, none of them really lasted long. Seemed like a car wash, and a couple weeks later, the product was gone.

Perhaps for a show car, then yes, Megs is outstanding, but to me, much of it just didn't hold up for a daily driver.

What I had used quite a bit of in the past from their Mirror Glaze Pro Line, was #20 Professional Polymer Sealant, and #21 Sealant, which is quite similar. Like the results (Gloss+Shine) from these products as well. I used to use the #20 often when I owned my Black '94 Lincoln Town Car.

They both seemed to last longer than their waxes.

Do tell us what you will be getting from Menzerna?

All I have on hand right now from them, is ther SF4500 Finishing Polish, and the Powerlock Sealant. Both are outstanding IMO. SF4000, and SF4500 would both work great for your black vehicle, but am not sure how much in the way of correction, or swirl removal you would get by a hand application process?

I think those are ideally suited-designed for DA, or Rotary Machines, as by hand, you'd probably be rubbing forever, and get little to no results.

That's what I really like the Meg's #205, it works very well as a hand polish, and is virtually foolproof.

If like you say, the weather now is not perhaps permitting you much time to do too many processes on your car, then yes, get some good protection on the paint, trim, so your car will be able to better fight off the ravages of winter weather.
Mark
 
Irishwoodchuck said:
Thoughts on this scratch and how to get rid of it?
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Doesn't look that bad...

Likely about 15 to 30 secs with M105 and a cutting pad (foam or MF) and it would be gone or reduced to the point the it wouldn't be noticeable.
 
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