Best winter sealant?

[Dr Oldz]

Does layering Collinite boost its longevity and what would be the dry time between the 2nd coat if so?

Thru personal experience I find the look to better with two coats of 845 on lighter vehicles! 845 with 915 for darker vehicles! I do not know if it boost longetivity tho! I found that it is best to apply over 845 in 18 hrs or more! Of course this is just my personal opinion!

 

[Rob T]

845 Isn't a pure carnuba but a "hybrid" ! 845 gives a "high gloss" finish then topped with 915 that is a pure carnuba gives that 3D rich glow....and the combination on my darker vehicles looks amazing and the protection is longlasting! Of course this is just my method and opinion!

I do not believe that 915 is any more of a pure carnauba than 845 is.

 

[Dr Oldz]

I do not believe that 915 is any more of a pure carnauba than 845 is.

I am pretty sure 845 has some polymers in and 915 does not! I could be wrong tho! Anyway the apperance that the combination leaves works and looks great for me!

 

[TLMitchell]

His answer is it's a hybrid... the ease and looks of a sealant with the longevity of a carnauba. Works for me, and has for about 30 years. :dblthumb2:

TL

So then it wouldn't be a good choice for a winter sealant considering carnauba wax doesn't last very long.

My dyslexia is showing and I got that backwards... shoulda read, the longevity of a sealant and the look of a carnauba. This shouldn't be this tough... not like it's rocket surgery or anything. :doh:

TL

 

[Rob T]

I've had numerous exchanges with Mike Taylor of Collinite about layering, solvent content and whether 845 IW is a wax or a sealant. His answer is it's a hybrid... the ease and looks of a sealant with the longevity of a carnauba. Works for me, and has for about 30 years. :dblthumb2:

TL

I don't suppose you asked him the same question regarding 915? I'm pretty sure that I recall someone else saying that he said that 915 is also a hybrid, but that it has a higher carnauba content than 845.

 

[sal329]

FK 1000p, this yr I will test DP Poli Coat and Bilt Hamber Finis wax

 

[TLMitchell]

I don't suppose you asked him the same question regarding 915? I'm pretty sure that I recall someone else saying that he said that 915 is also a hybrid, but that it has a higher carnauba content than 845.

Nope, didn't think to ask because I'm a diehard 845 fan and have been for decades.

Their Web site sez:

" Collinite Marque d'Elegance gives their valuable automotive investments a blinding, lasting shine because its formulated from the highest-ever concentration of pure Carnauba waxes."

Interesting, considering 476 is supposed to be the longrvity King, Collinite-wise.

The conversation started regarding whether the solvents in 845 would disturb a sealant underneath. I also had a conversation with Dr. G. about whether Opti Seal would be disturbed by the solvents in 845. Both said no. Go figure. :::shrug:::

TL

 

[Rob T]

Nope, didn't think to ask because I'm a diehard 845 fan and have been for decades.

Their Web site sez:

" Collinite Marque d'Elegance gives their valuable automotive investments a blinding, lasting shine because its formulated from the highest-ever concentration of pure Carnauba waxes."

Interesting, considering 476 is supposed to be the longrvity King, Collinite-wise.

The conversation started regarding whether the solvents in 845 would disturb a sealant underneath. I also had a conversation with Dr. G. about whether Opti Seal would be disturbed by the solvents in 845. Both said no. Go figure. :::shrug:::

TL

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I know what their website says. But if you went by that, you wouldn't know that 845 is a hybrid either.

I have both 845 and 915. I need to give 845 another shot. I was really disappointed in how difficult it was to work with vs how easy everyone said that it was to work with.

I really like 915 in terms of appearance. I think it is quite under rated in terms of looks. However, I found it to attract too much dust for my taste.

 

[TLMitchell]

I have both 845 and 915. I need to give 845 another shot. I was really disappointed in how difficult it was to work with vs how easy everyone said that it was to work with.

Really?!? I always considered 845 as close to WOWO as you can get. Apply super-thin and give a final wipe in event of any smearing. Different strokes, I guess...

I really like 915 in terms of appearance. I think it is quite under rated in terms of looks. However, I found it to attract too much dust for my taste.

I like 915 on darker colors, agree about the dust. 845 on whites & lights gives it a pop I don't see with anything else. Stays slicker and shinier longer too, IMO.

TL

 

[builthatch]

Nope, didn't think to ask because I'm a diehard 845 fan and have been for decades.

Their Web site sez:

" Collinite Marque d'Elegance gives their valuable automotive investments a blinding, lasting shine because its formulated from the highest-ever concentration of pure Carnauba waxes."

Interesting, considering 476 is supposed to be the longrvity King, Collinite-wise.

The conversation started regarding whether the solvents in 845 would disturb a sealant underneath. I also had a conversation with Dr. G. about whether Opti Seal would be disturbed by the solvents in 845. Both said no. Go figure. :::shrug:::

TL

i remember talking to Ghodoussi a while ago about this sort of thing and he said most paste waxes will not affect opti-seal. he specified low solvent paste waxes...or his spray wax, as compatible. the question came about when i was trying to figure out what to do with a bottle of liquid souveran i had laying around, which apparently isn't compatible with opti-seal.

 

[Rob T]

Really?!? I always considered 845 as close to WOWO as you can get. Apply super-thin and give a final wipe in event of any smearing. Different strokes, I guess...

I know, I know, I've read this description of how easy it is to work with a million times, so I am baffled as to why I had such a difficult time with it. Like I said, I am going to give it another shot though.

I like 915 on darker colors, agree about the dust. 845 on whites & lights gives it a pop I don't see with anything else. Stays slicker and shinier longer too, IMO.

TL

How does the 845 compare in terms of dust attraction?

 

[akimel]

After using UPG for a year and a half on our CR-V, and a year before that on our Taurus, I have decided to try 1000p as our winter sealant. The car is glacier blue, so I'm hoping the color will go well with the sealant. It's a lot more work, but I want to see if the durability is significantly superior to the UPGP. The one things I do not like is that I canot apply the 1000p to the exterior trim and cladding, as I can with the UPGP. Oh well. The whole adventure should cost me a few more hours in worktime; but if it provides excellent protection I'll be very happy.

 

[M+O]

OK, not to split hair's here, but I'm a bit confused newb with regard to my orig question. It sounds like 845 is a sealant/wax with no cleaners. If I want to apply Wolfgang 3.0 sealant, let it cure, is 845 a good choice to apply on top of Wolfgang or would that be redundant?:hungry:

Not to veer off, but when claying (as part of the last pre winter detail in this case) doesn't that process remove existing wax and thus no need for a "pre wax cleaner" (or whatever its called) to purposely remove wax (which is what I want)? I'm reading conflicting thoughts on this that's why I'm asking.

 

[BobbyG]

OK, not to split hair's here, but I'm a bit confused newb with regard to my orig question. It sounds like 845 is a sealant/wax with no cleaners. If I want to apply Wolfgang 3.0 sealant, let it cure, is 845 a good choice to apply on top of Wolfgang or would that be redundant?:hungry:

As you stated; Wolfgang Paint Sealant 3.0 seals the paint and Collinite 845 is a wax. Adding Collinite 845 as a last step product gives a tremendous amount of protection on top of the sealant.

No redundancy here... rops:

 

[M+O]

As you stated; Wolfgang Paint Sealant 3.0 seals the paint and Collinite 845 is a wax. Adding Collinite 845 as a last step product gives a tremendous amount of protection on top of the sealant.

No redundancy here... rops:

Great, thanks. I'm learning and reading a TON here. I enjoy it. I just wish it was spring - not looking forward to winter with the new car. Need to get passed that thoughrops:

 

[Bunky]

My winter sealant...same as my summer one. With ONR, a garage, and a temp of 50+F in the garage, I can do what I need to do.

 

[Rob T]

As you stated; Wolfgang Paint Sealant 3.0 seals the paint and Collinite 845 is a wax. Adding Collinite 845 as a last step product gives a tremendous amount of protection on top of the sealant.

No redundancy here... rops:

I don't know about that. I definitely think there is at least *some* redundancy in that scenario.

The Wolfgang sealant and the Colly 845 are designed to do the exact same thing. They are both LSP's.

 

[akimel]

When it comes to one's choice of winter wax, I am definitely in favor of sticking with one product. After all durability is the principal concern at this point, right? So here we have two products, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant and Colly 845. Rather than mixing them, I would go with the protectant that is most durable. One never knows how two different protectants will interact with each other and whether durability might be compromised.

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that 845 will provide the most durable protection, and so I would go with a couple of coats of 845, confident that they will take me through the winter months. WDGPS does not enjoy a reputation for exceptional durability.

 

[Rob T]

When it comes to one's choice of winter wax, I am definitely in favor of sticking with one product. After all durability is the principal concern at this point, right? So here we have two products, Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant and Colly 845. Rather than mixing them, I would go with the protectant that is most durable. One never knows how two different protectants will interact with each other and whether durability might be compromised.

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that 845 will provide the most durable protection, and so I would go with a couple of coats of 845, confident that they will take me through the winter months. WDGPS does not enjoy a reputation for exceptional durability.

Couldn't. Agree. More. rops:

 

[rmwrip]

I have a 2011 black mustang with a few coats of z2 on it. After much research I think I'm going to try 1 more coat of z2, a coat or 2 of collinite 476, then a coat of z-cs (I think this will work on top of collinite from what I've read). May be a bit of overkill but Wisconsin winters can get rough.