BFWD + GuraGloss 601 Bonding Agent, Will they Mix?

The Critic said:
It sounds to me that you did not spend your time very efficiently. You could've spent about the same amount of time (probably less) and have received equally good correction, but with a longer lasting product (coating).
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Could you please clarify your statement. The statement seems a bit vague considering the correction came out okay (it was a one step w/ FG400), and was followed-up successfully with a high quality paint sealant.
The lesson I learned from this detail is that I tend to underestimate the time it takes to perform any detail, thus causing a rush near the end.
If your telling me that I could have ignored other areas, such as the interior to have had more time on another area like the exterior, than you would be right. However, before I even started, I explained to my nephew, who is the owner of the denali, that I could detail the inside and the outside over two days. Therefore, I tried to deliver on my over-stretched promise which had me moving at three times my normal speed on the last day, which was focusing on the interior.
 
expdetailing said:
Could you please clarify your statement. The statement seems a bit vague considering the correction came out okay (it was a one step w/ FG400), and was followed-up successfully with a high quality paint sealant.
The lesson I learned from this detail is that I tend to underestimate the time it takes to perform any detail, thus causing a rush near the end.
If your telling me that I could have ignored other areas, such as the interior to have had more time on another area like the exterior, than you would be right. However, before I even started, I explained to my nephew, who is the owner of the denali, that I could detail the inside and the outside over two days. Therefore, I tried to deliver on my over-stretched promise which had me moving at three times my normal speed on the last day, which was focusing on the interior.
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I'm sorry - I should have been a bit more specific.

I wasn't entirely in agreement with your process for the exterior. I thought you could've spent a bit less time on the correction (and probably would've gotten a better finish) and spent less time playing with sealants.

FG400 is light compound that can finish fairly well, but it doesn't truly finish "LSP ready" in my eyes - especially after you strip the heavy polishing oils.

I would have dialed back the amount of correction (you'd be surprised how little correction it takes to make a "faded finish" look great again to most people), and used something like M205 or HD Adapt on a Meguiars DMF6 pad on the entire car. Then, I would've done an Eraser wipedown, and immediately followed up with a paint coating such as CQuartz UK to provide at least a year of protection.

Most owners are interested in having the car clean and shiny again, so unless there is horrendous oxidation, I would just go with a medium-aggressive combo and get the car looking decent, and coat it for the longest protection (which is what most people care about).

It is rare that sealants last more than 4 months, which is why I rarely use them nowadays.
 
"It is rare that sealants last more than 4 months, which is why I rarely use them nowadays". Which is precisely the reason I do use them. What is rare, at least for me and I imagine most people here, is not to strip and reapply something new within 4 months. Not necessarily because the car needs it but because we as hobbyists and detail aficionados do - we need a fix! I have said this a hundred times here - I always considered coatings (which should not be messed with for a year or more) to have been made primarily for people that have many cars to take care of, pros who have to give people what they want and those folks who fail to see the therapy in detailing and the personal satisfaction of constantly rubbing on their car but still want to maintain it and looking good. If that constant rubbing causes more swirls and scratches so be it - time to take out the polish and the process begins again! Then there are the poor souls that see detailing a chore rather than a source of pleasure or simply do not have the time to devote to it as a real "hobby" in the full sense. Those people do not visit these forums regularly anyway.

I consider it important to experiment with different LSPs and to do so on a continuing basis. A person can have favorites (I have mine), but it is fun to experiment and enjoy the peace and the time with your ride that working on your car provides. If someone does not appreciate that time, then they will miss half the fun of it and the hobby will eventually become work, it will seem more mechanical in nature and overall not as rewarding and satisfying. Not only LSPs such as sealants, but the same goes for QDs, Spray Waxes, Tire Gels, Shampoos, etc., etc. The experimenting never ends and it becomes the perfect place to spend your extra cash. When it does end, people can still keep their car clean and up to snuff of course, but they will need to find another hobby.
 
Shortspark said:
"It is rare that sealants last more than 4 months, which is why I rarely use them nowadays". Which is precisely the reason I do use them. What is rare, at least for me and I imagine most people here, is not to strip and reapply something new within 4 months. Not necessarily because the car needs it but because we as hobbyists and detail aficionados do - we need a fix! I have said this a hundred times here - I always considered coatings (which should not be messed with for a year or more) to have been made primarily for people that have many cars to take care of, pros who have to give people what they want and those folks who fail to see the therapy in detailing and the personal satisfaction of constantly rubbing on their car but still want to maintain it and looking good. If that constant rubbing causes more swirls and scratches so be it - time to take out the polish and the process begins again! Then there are the poor souls that see detailing a chore rather than a source of pleasure or simply do not have the time to devote to it as a real "hobby" in the full sense. Those people do not visit these forums regularly anyway.

I consider it important to experiment with different LSPs and to do so on a continuing basis. A person can have favorites (I have mine), but it is fun to experiment and enjoy the peace and the time with your ride that working on your car provides. If someone does not appreciate that time, then they will miss half the fun of it and the hobby will eventually become work, it will seem more mechanical in nature and overall not as rewarding and satisfying. Not only LSPs such as sealants, but the same goes for QDs, Spray Waxes, Tire Gels, Shampoos, etc., etc. The experimenting never ends and it becomes the perfect place to spend your extra cash. When it does end, people can still keep their car clean and up to snuff of course, but they will need to find another hobby.
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Conversely:

IMHO:
It is quite possible for a person to have inadequate cognitive resources to balance the strengths and weaknesses of such a myopic life-style choice.

Note:
@ OP:
Please excuse my going off-topic from that
of your thread-starter's.


Bob
 
Critic,
I'll be honest here; I've only performed three paint corrections. The first two, were newer vehicles with swirls. I tried the "least aggressive" approach but found myself needing to use a heavy compound with an aggressive pad.
So, when I approached the third vehicle (the denali) which was much worse than than the first two vehicles in terms of swirls, I quickly assumed I needed a compound and an aggressive pad.
Looking back on it, the paint was so soft, maybe I could have used a less aggressive approach. I don't think at this point in my learning curve, I can tell the difference just yet, of the finish quality between an agressive compound vs a less agressive compound. I assume neither can the car owners tell a difference. After each vehicle, I received a fair amount of praise as to how well the vehicle looked afterwards.
As far as coatings, I can't count how many times I'vs had 22ple in the shopping cart but could not pull the trigger because I could not justify the cost considering all the waxes and sealants sitting in my garage.
 
"It is quite possible for a person to have inadequate cognitive resources to balance the strengths and weaknesses of such a myopic life-style choice".

That is correct Bob, and well put. People often take things on a superficial level and fail to take the time to "smell the roses". I live on a golf course and play a lot. There are guys I see out here every day that have one thing in mind, hit the ball and hit it well to score low. Nothing else matters to them but they are not pros or people having to make a living doing this. They may not have the resources available to them to grasp the other, equally important factors of exercise, fresh air, natural beauty, etc., or if they do, they ignore those factors. Their goal is only to hit the ball and put it in the hole, and nothing else matters. Same with detailing - get the car shinny and forget all the collateral benefits and joys. Detailing is a science for sure but it is also an art. You and I are old school so we know this but it is a shame so many others don't. Are we back on topic yet?
 
If someone is implying that I lack the necessary cognitive skills to enjoy detailing, you are wrong. I enjoy detailing very much. I enjoy it enough that it's my hobby. Almost an obsession, at times, I might say.
Let's not look down our noses at people here. We should support one another instead of tearing eachother down. Myopic people tear eachother down.
 
I too use to play golf everyday and my one goal was to hit the ball well and to score well. Nothing else mattered. I was not out to smell the roses. If I wanted to do that, a walk in the park would have accomplished that. When I detail a car, my goal is to get the defects out and make my customer happy. I'm not there to smell the roses. Just my outlook which happens to be the opposite of yours.:props:
Shortspark said:
"It is quite possible for a person to have inadequate cognitive resources to balance the strengths and weaknesses of such a myopic life-style choice".

That is correct Bob, and well put. People often take things on a superficial level and fail to take the time to "smell the roses". I live on a golf course and play a lot. There are guys I see out here every day that have one thing in mind, hit the ball and hit it well to score low. Nothing else matters to them but they are not pros or people having to make a living doing this. They may not have the resources available to them to grasp the other, equally important factors of exercise, fresh air, natural beauty, etc., or if they do, they ignore those factors. Their goal is only to hit the ball and put it in the hole, and nothing else matters. Same with detailing - get the car shinny and forget all the collateral benefits and joys. Detailing is a science for sure but it is also an art. You and I are old school so we know this but it is a shame so many others don't. Are we back on topic yet?
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Yes, it is the opposite. I don't think Bob or I was putting anyone down as another poster felt. But just as you point out, other people have different views on detailing and the experience it provides (golf as well). To each his own.
 
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