Big Red Sponge vs Lake Country Wash Wedge for rinseless?

[dlc95]

I would take an edumacated guess here and say no. My red CCS pad feels much softer than this foam does.

Thank you!

 

[Scott@IncrediblyDetailed]

Is that the same foam the red CCS pads are constructed from?

I have no idea. It's soft and very compressible without ripping/damaging the foam.

I've heard guys who use the BRS soak it or just keep in a bucket with ONR solution.

One bucket. Dirt is encapsulated by the polymers in ONR and they also cover the surface to provide lubrication. You don't need two buckets because once released the dirt and dirty ONR that is captured inside the sponge falls to the bottom of the bucket. ONR is designed for dirt to the go to the bottom and clean to the top. Think about the weight of dirt, ONR even pulls down and encapsulates some minerals in the water, producing a water soften effective, thus making drying much easier and not needing a drying aid (doesn't mean you still can't use one).

The big red sponge is much stiffer than I had imagined after seeing it in videos. Also, the pores are very small, unlike my current favorite sponge - the Aqua Sponge. It is soft, but I don't care how soft anything is if there is nowhere for the dirt to go (I know it is scored on both faces, maybe I'm supposed to assume that's where it all goes). Because of these two attributes I do not use these even though we ordered 2 for our shop.
I have not found the Big Red Sponge to be superior in any way, which is disappointing because the people I've seen use it love it.

So my question is: Why is it superior? Am I doing something wrong?

The sponge is stiff to start out, put it in a warm bucket of ONR then leave it there for it's life. I pressure wash mine quickly usually when I need to re-fill my bucket with ONR. It softens up within minutes to easily conform to surfaces.

The dirt goes up into the pores of the sponge along with staying in the ONR solution (encapsulated in polymers) on the vehicle. Where does the dirt go when you normally wash? The whole point of rinsing is to remove the soap and dirty so you can dry water from the surface. Now we are lubricating the surface to remove the rinsing step. Drying ONR off a vehicle is MUCH easier than water, due to waters high tensile strength and of course because it's a solvent, think the grand canyon.

I'm not sure what you mean by there is no where for the dirt to go? Where does the dirt go with a traditional mitt or sponge? I'm confused.

 

[conman1395]

I have no idea. It's soft and very compressible without ripping/damaging the foam.



One bucket. Dirt is encapsulated by the polymers in ONR and they also cover the surface to provide lubrication. You don't need two buckets because once released the dirt and dirty ONR that is captured inside the sponge falls to the bottom of the bucket. ONR is designed for dirt to the go to the bottom and clean to the top. Think about the weight of dirt, ONR even pulls down and encapsulates some minerals in the water, producing a water soften effective, thus making drying much easier and not needing a drying aid (doesn't mean you still can't use one).



The sponge is stiff to start out, put it in a warm bucket of ONR then leave it there for it's life. I pressure wash mine quickly usually when I need to re-fill my bucket with ONR. It softens up within minutes to easily conform to surfaces.

The dirt goes up into the pores of the sponge along with staying in the ONR solution (encapsulated in polymers) on the vehicle. Where does the dirt go when you normally wash? The whole point of rinsing is to remove the soap and dirty so you can dry water from the surface. Now we are lubricating the surface to remove the rinsing step. Drying ONR off a vehicle is MUCH easier than water, due to waters high tensile strength and of course because it's a solvent, think the grand canyon.

I'm not sure what you mean by there is no where for the dirt to go? Where does the dirt go with a traditional mitt or sponge? I'm confused.

Sounds like you listened to the Auto Detailing podcast with Dann and Yvann by the way you describeed ONR.

What I mean by "where the dirt goes" is where does it recess until I release it in the bucket. Just like a mitt has fibers for the dirt to recess into, a sponge should have many, large (or larger than the BRS has) pores for the dirt to go. Maybe I should just keep trying it. I'll soak the sponge.

 

[mylkman]

I use the meguiars microfiber mitts. They have open ended fibers and if you scrape them across a grit guard, they're great and not expensive.

I have though started to use the Garry Dean method and I'm very happy with that.

So I get a little weirded out that Gary Dean got his name associated with using a one bucket method with multiple wash mediums. I don't know why it irks me but it does. My father taught me this probably 30 years ago when I was forced to wash his car under his supervision. Why did we suddenly give this to a man who is probably younger than me and has been detailing cars for a shorter period.?

 

[dlc95]

So I get a little weirded out that Gary Dean got his name associated with using a one bucket method with multiple wash mediums. I don't know why it irks me but it does. My father taught me this probably 30 years ago when I was forced to wash his car under his supervision. Why did we suddenly give this to a man who is probably younger than me and has been detailing cars for a shorter period.?

Well, it's specifically for use with rinse less wash systems that were probably not on the market back then.

It was a method the popularized, which is how it became known. Seasoning pads was around before Kevin Brown, but the practice of spreading polish over the pad is now known as the KBM, or Kevin Brown Method. I believe Griots was advocating that prior to Kevin.