Blackfire Coating Updates

Nick@Autogeek said:
Mike@DedicatedPerfection applied it to a Focus ST a few months ago, maybe he can chime in.

I had it on the hood of my Civic for 15 months and counting, and it was still going strong.

Here's some "inside info" on BLACKFIRE Crystal Coat. Hold onto your seat, I'm going to tell you like it is.

  • It's the most chemical resistant coating manufactured by PBMG. I would encourage anyone to compare it to Cquartz, Gloss Coat, etc. I'm certain it will perform as well or better.
  • It provides the thickest film of all the coatings manufactured by PBMG. Again, I would encourage anyone to compare it to the aforementioned coatings, or any other industry leaders.
  • The "2 year" longevity rating is very conservative. Anyone that's experienced with coatings will easily see 4 or 5 years from Crystal Coat.
  • Crystal Coat is the most difficult coating to apply manufactured by PBMG. BLACKFIRE enthusiasts tend to be more savvy than others, which is why we put our focus on 99% performance and 1% ease of application. Remember, difficult is a relative term. Coatings that are absolutely dumby proof to apply, like PBL Diamond Paint Coating or the new Uber Ceramic Coating by Wolfgang, make others look difficult by comparison.
  • Crystal Coat has the shortest shelf life (once opened) of any coating manufactured by PBMG. If you noticed on this product, it has a unique seal that is not shared with any other product we manufacture. Unlike most seals which are applied and secured by the pressure of tightening the cap, Crystal Coat has a unique (and costly) heat seal. This allows for a long shelf life for an unopened bottle. Once you open it, however, the coating immediately begins to cross link because it is oxygen activated.



Here's the "catch 22" with Uber Ceramic Coating. Someone experienced, like me or you, could probably squeeze 5 or 6 cars out of a 15cc syringe of Uber Ceramic Coating. But here's the deal:

5cc per midsize car (paint only) is the minimum required to create a film thick enough that will be able to withstand environmental contaminants for up to 3 years. If you manage to coat an entire vehicle with just 2cc of product (which is certainly possible), don't count on it lasting for more than 18 months or so. If you plan on using it for your personal vehicle, I would personally recommend applying it thicker than recommended for maximum protection and longevity.

Wolfgang Uber Ceramic Coating is, in my opinion, the easiest coating to apply. Even if you've used never a coating, you will have this one mastered after just one panel. There is no compromise with this product. :dblthumb2:

Hope that sheds some light on your questions Keven. :)
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I would really like to see an approximate shelf life of all the different coatings after they have been opened. Assuming they are stored in a climate controlled area at about 75 degrees. GTechnique says one month, two months if refridgerated. Another manufacturer says never refridgerate. I don't think there are any storage instructions in print for any of them. I think this would be useful information when deciding on a coating.
 
DaveT435 said:
I would really like to see an approximate shelf life of all the different coatings after they have been opened. Assuming they are stored in a climate controlled area at about 75 degrees. GTechnique says one month, two months if refridgerated. Another manufacturer says never refridgerate. I don't think there are any storage instructions in print for any of them. I think this would be useful information when deciding on a coating.
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From my personal experience, BF Crystal Coat is about a month after opening the bottle. I did a second car after 6 weeks and it was iffy as heck to get it right. A week later I decided to use the rest of the bottle on my truck and it was impossible to knock the high spots down.

I really, really like the BF Crystal Coat. While I haven't yet used the Uber Coating (I have some to try on a new car) I hope they come out with the Crystal Coat in an applicator like the one used for the Uber Coating. I'm not a professional so I'm only doing my cars and a few friends. I don't need (can't use) enough product for 5 or 6 cars. The 15cc container is more than enough for me. While I'm sure the Uber Coating is a good product, I really believe in the BF Crystal Coat and wish I could get it in a form that is more useful to me.

Just my $.02 worth!

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tedj101 said:
From my personal experience, BF Crystal Coat is about a month after opening the bottle. I did a second car after 6 weeks and it was iffy as heck to get it right. A week later I decided to use the rest of the bottle on my truck and it was impossible to knock the high spots down.

I really, really like the BF Crystal Coat. While I haven't yet used the Uber Coating (I have some to try on a new car) I hope they come out with the Crystal Coat in an applicator like the one used for the Uber Coating. I'm not a professional so I'm only doing my cars and a few friends. I don't need (can't use) enough product for 5 or 6 cars. The 15cc container is more than enough for me. While I'm sure the Uber Coating is a good product, I really believe in the BF Crystal Coat and wish I could get it in a form that is more useful to me.

Just my $.02 worth!

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I plan to contact AutoGeek to ask for a refund of my purchase price. The product details for BF Crystal Coat says nothing about the very short shelf life. If that has been disclosed, I wouldn't have purchased it. Like you, I detail as a hobby. I used Crystal Coat for the first time in late May 2015. My second time to use it was early Sept. Although it was stored in the house, it was unbelievably difficult to use. After struggling with a small area on the roof, I switched to Wolfgang Fuzion for the rest of the car.
 
tedj101 said:
From my personal experience, BF Crystal Coat is about a month after opening the bottle. I did a second car after 6 weeks and it was iffy as heck to get it right. A week later I decided to use the rest of the bottle on my truck and it was impossible to knock the high spots down.

I really, really like the BF Crystal Coat. While I haven't yet used the Uber Coating (I have some to try on a new car) I hope they come out with the Crystal Coat in an applicator like the one used for the Uber Coating. I'm not a professional so I'm only doing my cars and a few friends. I don't need (can't use) enough product for 5 or 6 cars. The 15cc container is more than enough for me. While I'm sure the Uber Coating is a good product, I really believe in the BF Crystal Coat and wish I could get it in a form that is more useful to me.

Just my $.02 worth!

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I agree. It's a waste of product. A lot of pros don't even do 4 or 5 coatings a month. But the BOGO at 39.99 is still a great deal.

jsgntulok said:
I plan to contact AutoGeek to ask for a refund of my purchase price. The product details for BF Crystal Coat says nothing about the very short shelf life. If that has been disclosed, I wouldn't have purchased it. Like you, I detail as a hobby. I used Crystal Coat for the first time in late May 2015. My second time to use it was early Sept. Although it was stored in the house, it was unbelievably difficult to use. After struggling with a small area on the roof, I switched to Wolfgang Fuzion for the rest of the car.
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That's the exact point I'm making. If you had known you probably would have bought a different coating. I think it would help a lot of people choose the right product for them if they knew shelf life.
 
Stuff is great cheap and dummy proof.I applied it to a pilatus plane a year ago and today was the test.with extreme exhaust heat and carbon I was able to wipe it right off.
 
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