Blackfire Total Polish & Seal Question

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When i used BFTPS on an 08 ram with between moderate to heavy swirls it did not do what i expected? I used an orange pad on speed 5 with a griots 6" DA (white pad wasn't enough) But I would say i only got about 25-35% correction. Now i understand it's not meant for 80% correction but i was expecting more like 50%-65% Could i have done somthing wrong? Vehicle was clayed/tar removed before hand. Only reason i chose a 1 step is because i don't have the time to do a full polish
 
Honestly, I tried using the same product two weeks ago for light cobwebbs on a 2012 caravan. Orange pad, white pad, red pad, at various speeds and dwell time. HIGHLY dissappointed to say the least. An accumulation of experiences like these speak volumes about products, marketing and ACTUAL value of a product vs what they are being sold for. Know what i mean?
 
Its got a real light cut. It cleans the paint nicely but barely gets rid of swirls.
i do keep it in my arsenal though
 
5jjt said:
Honestly, I tried using the same product two weeks ago for light cobwebbs on a 2012 caravan. Orange pad, white pad, red pad, at various speeds and dwell time. HIGHLY dissappointed to say the least. An accumulation of experiences like these speak volumes about products, marketing and ACTUAL value of a product vs what they are being sold for. Know what i mean?
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If you look up BFTPNS on the polish chart you will see that it is rated at a 1 - which is about a jeweling rate. BF Finishing Polish is a 3 (and it will only do light swirls depending on how hard the paint is). Megs 205 is a 4. You can't expect a 1 to do the job of a 6 or 7 (which is what most correcting compounds are).
 
I think Ram's have medium to hard clear. You just won't get much from TPnS in that situation. TPnS is good for situations where you are already working with very good paint with only minor imperfections IME. Unfortunate since the rapid fire is a very good/quick combo for production details. BF needs to come out with a Total Compound and Seal. :props:

A car with soft paint you can reach 50% or so improvement. I suspect a closed cell flat pad, like LC hydrotech, might bring more to the table as well.
 
I plan on doing a black toyota tundra & a subaru STI... I imagine the subaru will come out decently well but the black tundra may not even though it has a soft paint.... it is a black truck..lol.


I do have the mothers 3 step system. Again it's just very time consuming. Would i be able to use mothers step 1 then go ahead and use BFTPS? Or would that not fix any minor swirls left?
 
5jjt said:
Honestly, I tried using the same product two weeks ago for light cobwebbs on a 2012 caravan. Orange pad, white pad, red pad, at various speeds and dwell time. HIGHLY dissappointed to say the least. An accumulation of experiences like these speak volumes about products, marketing and ACTUAL value of a product vs what they are being sold for. Know what i mean?
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no... don't know what you mean. people would do well to read product descriptions and research before buying, and then we wouldn't have posts like this.

http://www.autopiaforums.com/Todd-Helme/polish-chart.jpg

shows BFTP+S as a 1 on the scale.

and the description clearly states that it is for fine swirl removal. not full correction.

Features:

  • Removes light swirls, dullness, and mild oxidation from paint.
  • Removes paint contamination.
  • High grade paint sealant and polish in one.
  • Dust-free and easy to remove.
  • Can be applied by hand or machine.
  • Clear coat safe.
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of course "light" can mean any number of things to people, as there is no way to tell whether or not they are actually light, or the paint is hard, etc etc. test and continue, but the product obviously does what it claims to do. but just because it doesn't do what you wanted it to do for your specific application, doesn't make it a bad product
 
5jjt said:
Honestly, I tried using the same product two weeks ago for light cobwebbs on a 2012 caravan. Orange pad, white pad, red pad, at various speeds and dwell time. HIGHLY dissappointed to say the least. An accumulation of experiences like these speak volumes about products, marketing and ACTUAL value of a product vs what they are being sold for. Know what i mean?
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Actually, it's supposed to have minimal cut and is rated as so. Know before ya go bro! :xyxthumbs:
 
Yeah i guess thats my bad... I did do research and all that. But i guess i was just expecting more. I do have use for this product though. I have a week in august off so i'll be doing a full mothers 3 step polish (which will come with a review since there aren't many)
 
5jjt said:
Hey "TurboToys" your link is from a completely different site first of all. Secondly, tell me this quote by Blackfire from AG isn't misleading (remember TurboToys, we ARE on AG), "BLACKFIRE Total Polish & Seal is a light swirl remover..." (It did NOTHING noticable to my eye for my paint and it very light cobwebbing). Last, but not least: "Clean paint in far less time than a complete three-step detailing process." Need I say more "TurboToys"
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That site is owned by AG and PBMG, and the former head there, Todd Helme, was the brains behind Blackfire for years, if anyone knows how it works it him, that forum and chart. So that link is actually the ideal place to turn too, for the exact info. So thats some info for ya....

Also, it is a light swirl remover, cars have different paint systems, not every product reacts the same. I have used about two-three bottles of BFTPNS and it's never been a let down. I've used TPNS with a white pad on numerous cars and gotten the light swirl removal it promised, again depends on the paint! Also, it does clean paint fast, it's one step. Not 3.

But if it doesn't work for you rock on with other stuff, but its a great product and a tremendous base for all Blackfire LSPs. And a great pick me up for a DD.
 
I will admit the truck was already shiny, didn't think i could get much more of a shine out of it. Boy was i wrong in that sense, It really cleaned it up nicely (minus the swirls) It definetly did cover some of them up though. Like i said i got about 15% correction. I also used it on the chrome tailpipe & bedrails. Worked amazing. I will use this in the future forsure along with my XMT 360 AIO. Definetly a good upkeep AIO
 

BLACKFIRE TPnS will remove some light swirl marks, but it doesn't have a ton of cut. Formulating an AIO is tricky business, the more abrasive material (and more aggressive the abrasive material is) in the solution, the less protection, gloss and shine you can put into it. BLACKFIRE TPnS does have some abrasives, but it is a chemical cleaner as well. It will improve gloss and remove fine swirl marks.

Remember paint hardness plays a huge factor, as does the actual depth (not frequency) of the marks.
 
cleanmycorolla said:
That site is owned by AG and PBMG, and the former head there, Todd Helme, was the brains behind Blackfire for years, if anyone knows how it works it him, that forum and chart. So that link is actually the ideal place to turn too, for the exact info. So thats some info for ya....

Also, it is a light swirl remover, cars have different paint systems, not every product reacts the same. I have used about two-three bottles of BFTPNS and it's never been a let down. I've used TPNS with a white pad on numerous cars and gotten the light swirl removal it promised, again depends on the paint! Also, it does clean paint fast, it's one step. Not 3.

But if it doesn't work for you rock on with other stuff, but its a great product and a tremendous base for all Blackfire LSPs. And a great pick me up for a DD.
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I don't feel misled at all. But since i am still a new detailer (only done 3 vehicles) It more less came down to me expecting more out of it (to high of expectations) I don't by any means think i was mislead. I read reviews upon reviews, Product description and watched youtube vids. Like i said. the truck shined amazing. But the paint did seem on the harder side. I will see how it goes when i work on a subaru. I was just curious what to expect correction wise. And i got my answer from everyone. Thank you all :)
 
5jjt said:
I understand your points, and I think this topic and thread is beat to death.
Let me fish by saying I think the reason I am so disappointed with this product is because it did nothing, absolutely nothing for my swirls, finish, clarity, reflection, pop, or whatever else appearance wise. It worked for you,but not for me.
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What was your prep prior? And what machines and pads were tools of choice for the day? Was there decon prior? A lot of how things work is in the prep prior as well.
 
it actually looks like a great upkeep tool for someone who drives something a lot but still wants to keep the paint alive.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/product-reviews/69637-review-blackfire-total-polish-seal.html

from the results from this review, i'm probably going to pick some up. ability to clean, take some marring out, but not removing so much that you have to worry about using it once a year on a car that you want to look great.

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it obviously has the ability to clean and do minor correction without tearing through the paint. something that would be great for anyone who wants to remove little imperfections without removing too much paint each time.

the bonus i'd say is that its a sealant and not a wax combined with it, and a good sealant at that. i stay away from alot of AIO because of the wax in them, i prefer to have a sealant be the first layer.
 
Let's keep this thread on track; name calling and personal insults are uncalled for and we do not tolerate it here. If this continues the thread will have to be closed.

BLACKFIRE Total Polish & Seal will remove light swirl marks, but it's not going to (nor is it intended) to replace a conventional 2-step compound/polish system.

The abrasives in this product work more to clean the paint than they do to correct it. This combined with the chemical cleaners is what gives BLACKFIRE Total Polish & Seal such incredible "paint cleaning" abilities. The cleaner the paint, the better it will shine.

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There's not a lot of information in the forum world about the aggressiveness or NON-aggressiveness of cleaner/waxes.

For the last 2-3 years I've taught a class on using cleaner/waxes at Mobil Tech Expo and I expect I'll be teaching this class again next year at MTE as it's always been a fairly popular class.

I wrote a fairly in-depth article on this topic back in June of this year that explains what's involved when using a cleaner/wax. I divide cleaner/waxes into 3 categories as there's no longer a 4th category in the automotive world since scratch-sensitive clearcoats were introduced starting in the 1980's.


How to choose a one-step cleaner/wax


BLACKFIRE Total Polish & Seal is in category 2


Here's a few more articles that are related....

Clearcoats are Scratch-Sensitive

How to use a one-step cleaner/wax to maximize profits

High quality production detailing by Mike Phillips



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