Blackfire vs Souveran?

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Anyone here used BF? Im thinking about trying it but that whole spamming thing that happend a couple of weeks ago kinda turned me off.

But any comments on how it compares to Souveran or SS2?
 
Ur saying its not a good wax?
 
it's likely a clone of Souveran as the owner used to be partners with Max(owner of AG). Stick with Souveran!!
 
dengood1 said:
it's likely a clone of Souveran as the owner used to be partners with Max(owner of AG). Stick with Souveran!!
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Plus Souveran has more oz of wax :D and the tub looks better imo. Plus, after looking at pics of the "BF", it doesn't look hand poured...
 
klumzypinoy said:
Plus Souveran has more oz of wax :D and the tub looks better imo. Plus, after looking at pics of the "BF", it doesn't look hand poured...
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Right now BF is on sale so its actually cheaper per oz.
And how can a you tell by looking whether or not its hand poured.
Why would I care if it was hand poured or not, and who cares what tub looks like?
 
FMINUS said:
And how can a you tell by looking whether or not its hand poured.
Why would I care if it was hand poured or not
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I dont know whats up with the "hand poured" wax either. Its probably some sort of marketing gimic, maybe it sounds cool, idk. I guess all it means that its poured in the can by hand, which is kind of stupid because machines can do it faster and better.
 
FMINUS said:
Right now BF is on sale so its actually cheaper per oz.
And how can a you tell by looking whether or not its hand poured.
Why would I care if it was hand poured or not, and who cares what tub looks like?
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Blackfire comes in 7 oz container instead of 8 oz like Souveran. Keep that in mind. Getting Souveran in a kit can give you some savings.
Check this kit out - Finally, a kit combining the best of both worlds--taking your vehicle to the highest achievable level of excellence- Pinnacle - Wolfgang Souveran Kit
and its on sale:awesome: :awesome: :awesome: what a deal!
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Thejoyofdriving said:
I dont know whats up with the "hand poured" wax either. Its probably some sort of marketing gimic, maybe it sounds cool, idk. I guess all it means that its poured in the can by hand, which is kind of stupid because machines can do it faster and better.
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just like they can paint cars better also huh ??? (faster, yes better, unlikely) The reason Souveran is hand poured is so it doesnt cool to quickly and lump. Do a search I posted the 10 most asked questions on Souveran about a year back.

I have seen the new Blackfire Wax and it reminds me of SSII and CG 50/50 in looks. It doesnt have the Souveran glow, but I am sure when Capt Max bought the final rights to Souveran from Terry, there was a contract where recipe could NEVER be duplicated. I too found it amusing that Terry originally used the ad copy with Souveran and Klasse in it, and got yanked quickly for over embellishing his new product.

As for the Blackfire sealant, Four Star UPP and Wolfgang look better and are just as easy to use.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
just like they can paint cars better also huh ??? (faster, yes better, unlikely) The reason Souveran is hand poured is so it doesnt cool to quickly and lump. Do a search I posted the 10 most asked questions on Souveran about a year back.

I have seen the new Blackfire Wax and it reminds me of SSII and CG 50/50 in looks. It doesnt have the Souveran glow, but I am sure when Capt Max bought the final rights to Souveran from Terry, there was a contract where recipe could NEVER be duplicated. I too found it amusing that Terry originally used the ad copy with Souveran and Klasse in it, and got yanked quickly for over embellishing his new product.

As for the Blackfire sealant, Four Star UPP and Wolfgang look better and are just as easy to use.
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So SS2 looks at Souveran price huh? Makes me want to try it less, but still curious. Can anyone else try and talk me out of it?

That WG/Pinnacle kit is amazing! WOW good pricing!
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
just like they can paint cars better also huh ??? (faster, yes better, unlikely) The reason Souveran is hand poured is so it doesnt cool to quickly and lump. Do a search I posted the 10 most asked questions on Souveran about a year back.

I have seen the new Blackfire Wax and it reminds me of SSII and CG 50/50 in looks. It doesnt have the Souveran glow, but I am sure when Capt Max bought the final rights to Souveran from Terry, there was a contract where recipe could NEVER be duplicated. I too found it amusing that Terry originally used the ad copy with Souveran and Klasse in it, and got yanked quickly for over embellishing his new product.

As for the Blackfire sealant, Four Star UPP and Wolfgang look better and are just as easy to use.
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I still dont understand, that doesnt make any sense. "The reason Souveran is hand poured is so it doesnt cool to quickly and lump" ok, I dont understand why a machine will make the wax cool to quickly and lump, in this case a machine could do a better job than any person. Please explain why I am wrong.
 
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killrwheels@autogeek said:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pinnacle-wax/8418-story-souveran-wax.html

this might help a little more , see question on "expense". Part of it has to do with a second filling after mid cooling.
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I reviewed the link and read the sections, but I still dont understand why the labels are out on by hand or why the jar lid is screwed on by hand, a machine could screw each lid on with an exact mount of torque and it would be faster and cheaper, with no loss of quality. same with the stickers??? why by hand, again, machine=faster and more precise, sorry for all the question i just want to understand, if you wish we can take this over to PM:)
 
that's interesting stuff!!! I'd like another history lesson!!!!!
 
"By Hand" always sells. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if a machine can do it just as good.
 
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