Blackfire Wet Diamond vs. Blackfire Crystal Seal

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Which one of these two gives the best shine,slickness, and durability.
 
It's a toss up....


BFWD is the more normal true sealant. It should have a little bit better look and longer durability.

BFCS is the new guy. It is super easy to apply and looks great. I don't know on the durability yet, but can easily top it up in 15-20min once a month with no problem.

For me personaly I think BFWD is slightly slicker in initial feel and maybe a shade wetter in look. But BFCS looks just as good and is that much easier to apply. BFCS has replaced BFWD for me....
 
Troy is right. Not sure I will ever stop using BFWD but to get 90%+ in 15min.... Makes you think.
 
Are you guys using these with a wax? On top of a wax? Under a wax? Or by itself. I'm not sure of the role of spray on sealants, that have lesser durability that their traditional counterparts.
 
TroyScherer said:
It's a toss up....


BFWD is the more normal true sealant. It should have a little bit better look and longer durability.

BFCS is the new guy. It is super easy to apply and looks great. I don't know on the durability yet, but can easily top it up in 15-20min once a month with no problem.

For me personaly I think BFWD is slightly slicker in initial feel and maybe a shade wetter in look. But BFCS looks just as good and is that much easier to apply. BFCS has replaced BFWD for me....
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About how long does BFWD take you to apply? (if done by hand)
 
swanicyouth said:
Are you guys using these with a wax? On top of a wax? Under a wax? Or by itself. I'm not sure of the role of spray on sealants, that have lesser durability that their traditional counterparts.
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On top no. Under maybe, depending on your look preferences.
BFWD is more time consuming (...) but more durable (as for looks, hmmm, don't know).
BFCS is the "The 11 Minute Paint Sealant"...You can reapply it from time to time, with no sweat, if you do not top it with a nuba.
 
swanicyouth said:
Are you guys using these with a wax? On top of a wax? Under a wax? Or by itself. I'm not sure of the role of spray on sealants, that have lesser durability that their traditional counterparts.
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Sealants are basically synthetic "waxes." In the case of info BF, it uses polymers. Sealants typically last longer than waxes and would be applied before a wax if you used both.

Jmoran said:
About how long does BFWD take you to apply? (if done by hand)
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You apply, let dry to a haze (maybe 30-45min) and remove. Allow 12hrs before layering or topping.
 
mjlinane said:
Sealants are basically synthetic "waxes." In the case of info BF, it uses polymers. Sealants typically last longer than waxes and would be applied before a wax if you used both.



You apply, let dry to a haze (maybe 30-45min) and remove. Allow 12hrs before layering or topping.
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So basically same thing as wax. Is there a cure time on BFWD or BFCS? like before it can get wet
 
Jmoran said:
So basically same thing as wax. Is there a cure time on BFWD or BFCS? like before it can get wet
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Ya, you apply BFWD like other liquid waxes and such. So overal application is 30-45 min and a 10-12 hr cure time. With UPGP and BFCS the cure time is only 45min-1hr. So you can apply a second coat very quickly and even possibly apply a beauty wax the same day.

So far I am only using UPGP and BFCS as standalone sealants ant not topping them with a wax. It is hard since I like to wax as well. But the look and beading of these products is great on their own.
 
BUMP!!!

I been researching on this topic as well and I want to hear more about it.
I still don't see durability answer on BFCS ..

personally BFWD is my goto sealant for my car and customers
but if BFCS is as good and as durable.... I would love to switch to save me time
 
choijw2 said:
BUMP!!!

I been researching on this topic as well and I want to hear more about it.
I still don't see durability answer on BFCS ..

personally BFWD is my goto sealant for my car and customers
but if BFCS is as good and as durable.... I would love to switch to save me time
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In the spring, summer, early fall I can get an easy 3+ months from BFCS. (Ideal conditions) The big difference for me though is the time saved to apply & re-apply.

Due to these WOWA sealants and "Coatings / Coating detailers" I almost never use standard sealants anymore.

 
BFCS is my winter sealant, so it lasts a good long time. I usually only have to re-apply once in the garage during the winter months. This is in Iowa where winters can be cold, snow, Ice, road brine and salt.
 
The real answer is: Get both.
They serve slightly different purposes, but I gotta say, nothing beats the super quick application of WOWO sealant.
 
I mean is BFCS even real WOWO?
since you dont have to buff anything off after application hahaha

I am looking forward to try to product!!

Gotta love blackfire.
 
Yeah, sorry. Jumbled up my acronyms there.
I meant WOWA :)

By all means, let us know how you like it. I feel the need to add another one of these products to the arsenal
 
Using BFCS and topping with BF BlackICE combo, using BFMS spray wax once a month (used to use Poly spray), I keep a great appearance for a 6-9 months, prob could make it a whole year if I wasn't so picky. Still slick and perfect.
 
some times has been passed and I did get BFCS and tried it couple times.


First, BFCS.... hands down, quickest, easiest product to work with, but I saw some high spots where streaks didnt' go away.. i dont know if it caused by another layer of application or I didn't spread the products evenly. But as final step, I always go over with QD so wasn't a huge issue.


For me, BFWD still had slightly better wet look and much better slickness. Also when it comes to durability, BFCS doesn't fall behind that much, with regular maintenance it will go Min. 3 months easy with quick application.

So far, ever since I got BFCS, haven't touched BFWD (at least for my own car) due to easy application and much time save.
but if I were to do paying customer's car, I would still choose BFWD.

just my .02 cents

:hungry:
 
choijw2 said:
First, BFCS.... hands down, quickest, easiest product to work with, but I saw some high spots where streaks didnt' go away.. i dont know if it caused by another layer of application or I didn't spread the products evenly. But as final step, I always go over with QD so wasn't a huge issue.
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Sir, do you use QD as a final step, before the coating fully cures it?
How long after you apply?
If so, I have to try this method, because there are some coatings I use that are prone to streaking.
Could you please explain it further?
Man, I'm always learning here. Thanks AGO
 
RPM_BR said:
Sir, do you use QD as a final step, before the coating fully cures it?
How long after you apply?
If so, I have to try this method, because there are some coatings I use that are prone to streaking.
Could you please explain it further?
Man, I'm always learning here. Thanks AGO
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are you talking about actual coating system (such as opti-coating) or talking about wax and sealant?

I usually go over with QD right after buff off waxes/ sealants.
sometimes I even spray QD right on to surface if i waited too long to buff, and never had streaking issue.

For fact, i know coating is much more sensitive to apply but I never tried it so I cant tell you if its okay to buff with QD, but i would say no.
 
Coating need a squeaky clean surface so using a qd interferes with a coating trying to bond with the paint. After the coating has cured qd all you like but not before. That's my understanding.
 
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