Buh-Bye $4 + per gallon Diesel!! Hopefully***

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So I have a buddy that lives in CA and he's a bit of a hippy lol He's been hounding me to convert the 7.3 powerstroke I have to run off Vegi oil. It's a lot of money for a conversion kit- like 2K, plus you still have to get the oil and filter it. The problem with the kits is you need to have an extra tank in the vehicle and that takes up room. Plus you still run on diesel for 15 minutes till the oil heats up.

I am going to start processing my own Bio-Diesel. This system takes a couple hours to convert about 50 gallons. The first restaurant I went in to(Use to work there while first starting up my detail biz a few years ago) They agreed to let me start getting the oil. They have 3 restaurants and they go through about 60 gallons per week. I have another restaurant I plan on hitting up that I also use to work at.

The process is fairly simple. What I have to do is get the glycerin out of the oil. Since I filter all the oil and get the glycerin out I can pour the oil directly into the fuel tank and not have to worry about heating the oil up or anything. I strictly pour and go. The products that I will need to buy will not be much. I will be able to make this stuff anywhere from 80 cents to $1 per gallon.

Also from what I hear, vegi oil will burn hotter than diesel so I got to thinking....All my equipment except my generator runs on diesel. If I start running oil the stuff will burn hotter. I may have to run a mix of 50% diesel and 50% oil.

Monday I filled 3/4 tank about 25 gallon, my steam cleaner, my pressure washer and a extra 3 gallon can up and it cost me $160! I filled back up tonight and spent $100. I haven't been all that busy either. I spent over $600 on fuel last month and I was not busy but not slow. I excpect to be spending between $800- $1000 or even more on fuel this spring and summer! That's ridiculous!! So I'm going to do something about it!!

Oh and the filtration system will set me back about $400 or so.
 
Very, very interesting. Just curious, what do you do with the separated glycerin?
 
Subscribed. Had a friend that did this years ago on an older mercedes diesel that is still on the road today with 200K+ miles. Refining the oil is a bit of a pain, but worth it in savings.

Any pictures of the kit you're looking at?
 
TimmyG said:
Subscribed. Had a friend that did this years ago on an older mercedes diesel that is still on the road today with 200K+ miles. Refining the oil is a bit of a pain, but worth it in savings.

Any pictures of the kit you're looking at?
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One of our Staff Sergeants at work did that with his old Mercedes. He says it runs great, but it smells like a french fry machine going down the street...it makes everyone hungry! You should get the restaurant to put a sign on your truck due to all the hungry people it'll be tempting.
 
Good luck and keep us upated! I'm shopping around for a street bike myself to combat these insane gas prices.
 
Very cool and I am all for your conversion :) Hopefully some constructive information, I have read a few stories about people getting in trouble for dodging federal and state fuel taxes (what keeps our roads maintained); however since you are blending and still using diesel that has been taxed you shouldn't have any issues IMO.

Just a heads up for others.
 
How does the system seperate the glycerin while it's in the vehicle? when I was helping a relative made his "vegi fuel" we had to add methanol and sodium hydroxide, then heat the oil and wait for the glycerin to seperate. Entire process took 1-2 days depending on what oil we started with. You have a link for the system you bought?
 
Ipsdrew said:
How does the system seperate the glycerin while it's in the vehicle? when I was helping a relative made his "vegi fuel" we had to add methanol and sodium hydroxide, then heat the oil and wait for the glycerin to seperate. Entire process took 1-2 days depending on what oil we started with. You have a link for the system you bought?
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I am curious as well! I remember an episode of Trucks! from years back and they made their own fuel. I swore it took even longer then a couple days but I do remember them adding some sort of chemicals to the oil and had it almost in a distiller looking thing to allow the parts to separate.

Either way, I think its a really cool idea and if you are 10000% sure its going to work, I would go for it.

Is the fuel sediment traceable? Just curious because if your rig has a warranty, what will happen if you pop a head gasket or something happens to the fuel system (possibly due to the increase in hear or not) and the dealership notices some foreign deposit that is not normally found in diesel?
 
Tundra_10 said:
I am curious as well! I remember an episode of Trucks! from years back and they made their own fuel. I swore it took even longer then a couple days but I do remember them adding some sort of chemicals to the oil and had it almost in a distiller looking thing to allow the parts to separate.

Either way, I think its a really cool idea and if you are 10000% sure its going to work, I would go for it.

Is the fuel sediment traceable? Just curious because if your rig has a warranty, what will happen if you pop a head gasket or something happens to the fuel system (possibly due to the increase in hear or not) and the dealership notices some foreign deposit that is not normally found in diesel?
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As soon as you run that stuff you can tell it was there....also new trucks can't handle the fuel. 6.0 and 7.3 diesel have the injectors fired by a HPOP. Psi in a 7.3 or 6.0 goes up to 4,000. In a common rail found in all new trucks, cummins and duramaxs included go up to 20,000 and can't handle vegi oil.
 
Yea these prices are ridiculous. Cant wait to see the outcome.

I have a friend who has a Cobalt SS Turbo. He just converted to E85 with just a tune on the car and his gas mileage is around 23 mpg instead of 30 but he pays high 2's for gasoline now. There's a bit of savings but not to much, so I'm curious to see how much better this is.
 
SkateForGirl said:
Yea these prices are ridiculous. Cant wait to see the outcome.

I have a friend who has a Cobalt SS Turbo. He just converted to E85 with just a tune on the car and his gas mileage is around 23 mpg instead of 30 but he pays high 2's for gasoline now. There's a bit of savings but not to much, so I'm curious to see how much better this is.
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I think E85 is a cock of poop. Its slightly cheaper but as you pointed out it burns much faster thus needing more. I think its just a way to ruin farmers crop prices, get us to spend more and gas refineries make more profit.

Furthermore, regardless if the engine is "made" to run off it, I think it does some damage on the fuel system. My truck is a flexfuel, yet I still try to seek out the stations that sell ethanol free gas (there are very few out there) and currently I cannot find any in my area.

I have heard that it can give you a little extra power with the right tuning, but I still would not run it. I do not trust nor like that fuel.

Although, I am very old school in my ways. I still change my oil every 3k miles so... what do I know lol.
 
Tundra_10 said:
I think E85 is a cock of poop. Its slightly cheaper but as you pointed out it burns much faster thus needing more. I think its just a way to ruin farmers crop prices, get us to spend more and gas refineries make more profit.

Furthermore, regardless if the engine is "made" to run off it, I think it does some damage on the fuel system. My truck is a flexfuel, yet I still try to seek out the stations that sell ethanol free gas (there are very few out there) and currently I cannot find any in my area.

I have heard that it can give you a little extra power with the right tuning, but I still would not run it. I do not trust nor like that fuel.

Although, I am very old school in my ways. I still change my oil every 3k miles so... what do I know lol.
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Yea I agree. I would never run on E85 except to make more power in my car.
Their are a decent amount of gas stations that do e-85 but everywhere else they are very limited I've heard. The extra power is 100% true though. My friend makes so much more power then regular tuned gasoline Cobalt SS Turbos boosting the same PSI as them.

BTW: I change my oil every 2500 miles so your not the only one :)
 
Why the disclaimer about keep it clean in this thread though?
 
ShineTimeDetail said:
Lets keep the comments clean in this thread please.

So I have a buddy that lives in CA and he's a bit of a hippy
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Klasse Act said:
Why the disclaimer about keep it clean in this thread though?
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@Klasse ACT:
Good question...(Since good ol'ShineTime started his OP talking about those dirty long-haired, hippy-type pinkos) :D

@ShineTimeDetail:
-Nice to see you taking up arms against rising fuel costs.
-Nice to see you using your good old American know-how in trying to do so.
-Please use extreme care when handling caustics, methanol/ethanol alcohols, and heated flammable liquids, among others, in your biodiesel fuel manufacturing processes. Also: Keep oil-fires' fire-fighting equipment at the ready.

Couple of questions/comments:
-What biodiesel/dinodiesel blend do you plan on using...B5-B20 (recommended)...or higher? Remember it gets pretty cold sometimes in the Mid-West
-This may solve any further issues of your running out of fuel near Ft. Lauderdale, as long as you keep the soybean fields in sight, that is. :D
-This gives a whole new perspective on the old adage "chew the fat".

Anyway:
Here's sincerely wishing you success in this venture!!!

:)

Bob
 
Glad to see you re-posted this thread.:xyxthumbs:

Klasse Act said:
Why the disclaimer about keep it clean in this thread though?
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The last time he posted this thread someone brought politics into it. That certain post got reported by someone and the thread got "moved".
 
I don't know much about it but I have a friend who has a turbo diesel VW, a diesel Dodge Ram, and he's getting a diesel generator. He's been collecting and filtering waste oil from crankcases, mixing that with some pump diesel in the tank and has been doing this for years with no bad effects. I can put you in touch with his email if your interested. Spiney in PA
 
Tundra_10 said:
I think E85 is a cock of poop. Its slightly cheaper but as you pointed out it burns much faster thus needing more. I think its just a way to ruin farmers crop prices, get us to spend more and gas refineries make more profit.

I have heard that it can give you a little extra power with the right tuning, but I still would not run it. I do not trust nor like that fuel.

Although, I am very old school in my ways. I still change my oil every 3k miles so... what do I know lol.
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I also try to avoid corn juice like the plague...currently paying more per gallon and putting premium in all of our vehicles for the additional gas mileage versus paying less for worse gas mileage. At least compared to unleaded in our vehicles that don't need premium, the premium seems to more than make up for the additional cost. Another thing to consider with ethanol, a guy I work with recently acquired an old hot rod and was complaining that it was running rough and clogging fuel filters like crazy. Talked to him a bit about it, found out he was putting a ethanol blend in (15%), told him to stop and the problem eventually went away. Ethanol has a bad habit of cleaning out old tanks and plugging fuel systems.

The power thing is true as it was explained to me, they increase the injector size to flow more fuel to help make up for the lower energy density and the additional mass of fuel is also suppose to help keep the temperature down as a bonus. On the track, I want to say he was clearing 14-15 gallons of E85 in something like 8 minutes with his wrx... and the HP gain he was talking about some 50-65 HP compared to injectors for gasoline. On E85 he was pushing about 430 HP.
 
ShineTimeDetail said:
I'm a do it yourselfer. Building my own
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I hope you are factoring in your time and effort to get this fuel. Time is money. If it takes you an hour, you are losing out on family or work time. It is not as simple as comparing it to the cost of gas.
 
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