California Duster myths

I use the water blade too. I've used it a lot (less lately as the duster does the job most days and if not ONR). The Water Blade I researched a bit and found it actually doesn't let dirt drag across the paint at all. You have properly washed and rinsed therefore there is very little debris on the car. When the blade drags off the water it forms a bubble/dam of water in front of the blade, which encapsulates any remaining dirt in the water bead. The blade will not scratch the paint itself, so good to go. If you use any product beyond it's intended use then there are potential issues. Duster is to remove dust and Water Blade is to remove water.
 
Crispy said:
I use the water blade too. I've used it a lot (less lately as the duster does the job most days and if not ONR). The Water Blade I researched a bit and found it actually doesn't let dirt drag across the paint at all. You have properly washed and rinsed therefore there is very little debris on the car. When the blade drags off the water it forms a bubble/dam of water in front of the blade, which encapsulates any remaining dirt in the water bead. The blade will not scratch the paint itself, so good to go. If you use any product beyond it's intended use then there are potential issues. Duster is to remove dust and Water Blade is to remove water.
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Water blades are for cleaning windows and Dusters are for furniture. Just yanking your chain.:xyxthumbs:
 
I would never use a duster on a black car that's been driven. Ask me how I know. My guess is the coating may be helping you and the color is also masking some of the micro marring that would absolutely show on a pure black car. OUr van is metallic vs mine which is pure black and the difference in what shows is tremendous.

Also in terms of water blades, there's no need for them. Just run a garden hose stream with no nozzle and cascade the water over the surface. Do that then blot dry the rest with some WG Uber as a drying aid and detailer after upon the 2nd pass. I do nothing but rinseless on my sedan and can it done including wheels in just about 1hr.
 
•Per the triboelectric tables:
-Most airborne particles like pollen,
dust, and smoke carry a positive
static-electrical charge.

-Dry microfiber carries
a negative static-electrical charge.

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Therefore:
•If I were to be so inclined to
use an "electrostatic duster"...

then, nowadays, it seems that
I have at least these choices:
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1.) use "dusters" made from Microfiber...

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OR:
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2.) use a duster made through/by:
•"a special baking procedure to infuse yarn strands with a special proprietary paraffin wax blend";
-i.e. "bonding the wax into the yarn":

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Bob
 
pdqgp said:
I would never use a duster on a black car that's been driven...
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I use my California Duster on my black truck almost daily, and sometimes more than once a day, with no negative effects beyond those that exist for any cleaning method. And this is after it's been driven.

I also use the duster prior to wiping with a quick detailer. I feel the duster is less risky than wiping with a quick detailer and microfiber. The duster removes the dust and other loose contaminants, then the QD (D115 in my case) refines the finish.

I see the duster as the initial step in my quick detailing sessions as I do a hose for the initial rinsing in a conventional wash session.
 
once i'm done washing the car, i don't touch it till the next wash. might as well do a waterless wash (has lubrication) if you're gonna touch the paint rather than use a duster (never cared to use one anyway) when it's dry. meh, to each his or her own...
 
I have used a duster for years with no issues. I would dust it a few times a day if needed to avoid a heavy build up. I have not noticed any kind of damage. I quit using it recently , because this place also has me paronoid even though I haven't noticed any damage. I think I will have a go at it again just to see.
 
Crispy said:
I use the water blade too. I've used it a lot (less lately as the duster does the job most days and if not ONR). The Water Blade I researched a bit and found it actually doesn't let dirt drag across the paint at all. You have properly washed and rinsed therefore there is very little debris on the car. When the blade drags off the water it forms a bubble/dam of water in front of the blade, which encapsulates any remaining dirt in the water bead. The blade will not scratch the paint itself, so good to go. If you use any product beyond it's intended use then there are potential issues. Duster is to remove dust and Water Blade is to remove water.
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I have used the water blade for many years too and never noticed any issues, I quit using because of this place. Maybe some quick detailer or waterless wash spray as you blade. This place has made me rethink my procedures, even o never noticed and issues. I may go back to using these products and pay more attention to see any negative
 
FUNX650 said:
•Per the triboelectric tables:
-Most airborne particles like pollen,
dust, and smoke carry a positive
static-electrical charge.

-Dry microfiber carries
a negative static-electrical charge.

***********************************

Therefore:
•If I were to be so inclined to
use an "electrostatic duster"...

then, nowadays, it seems that
I have at least these choices:
_________________________________________

1.) use "dusters" made from Microfiber...


_____________________________________________

OR:
_____________________________________________

2.) use a duster made through/by:
•"a special baking procedure to infuse yarn strands with a special proprietary paraffin wax blend";
-i.e. "bonding the wax into the yarn":

**************************************************


Bob
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But wouldn't they just "grab hold" of the dust/pollen and still get dragged along the paint ??
 
I've been using a California Duster for over 15 years on various color vehicles. I've never had a problem because i use it to remove light dust and I never use it on the lower 1/3rd of the body.

To to the pro detailers who say that it damages paint because their clients damaged paint with it - exactly! Your clients are idiots. If they weren't, you'd be out of business.

I've also been using Final Touch on heavier dirt for a long time with no problems whatsoever. Maybe I don't have problems because I buy it in bulk and never worry about how much it costs instead of buying some boutique brand for 50 cents per ounce and dragging a semi-dry microfiber across dirty paint.

Light dirt, California Duster on the top 2/3rds of the car and Final touch on the bottom 1/3rd works every time.
 
Scoobertin said:
I have used the water blade for many years too and never noticed any issues, I quit using because of this place. Maybe some quick detailer or waterless wash spray as you blade. This place has made me rethink my procedures, even o never noticed and issues. I may go back to using these products and pay more attention to see any negative
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Wouldn't just be easier and simpler to continue doing exactly what's been a proven winner for you? Detailing forums are a lot like photography forums. You're perfectly happy with your work, your friends love it, you get compliments, and your photos have been published in magazines and newspapers and then you find out you've been doing it all wrong.

You see, you have the wrong equipment. That 20.1 megapixel APS-C sensor is a least two stops slower than a full frame sensor. Your lenses suck. Your tripod is inferior. Well, in theory anyway because no true professional is ever going to argue any method that achieves superior results is wrong. Only the amateurs will tell you your doing it wrong and they'll do it without ever seeing your results.

There's an informal car show get together in my little town every Saturday during the summer. Invariably, the guys talking the most about paint care are the guys with the most swirls and holograms on their cars - with wax around the emblems and along the edges of tape stripes.
 
Sonic Mustang said:
I've been using a California Duster for over 15 years on various color vehicles. I've never had a problem because i use it to remove light dust and I never use it on the lower 1/3rd of the body.

To to the pro detailers who say that it damages paint because their clients damaged paint with it - exactly! Your clients are idiots. If they weren't, you'd be out of business.

I've also been using Final Touch on heavier dirt for a long time with no problems whatsoever. Maybe I don't have problems because I buy it in bulk and never worry about how much it costs instead of buying some boutique brand for 50 cents per ounce and dragging a semi-dry microfiber across dirty paint.

Light dirt, California Duster on the top 2/3rds of the car and Final touch on the bottom 1/3rd works every time.
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Sonic Mustang said:
Wouldn't just be easier and simpler to continue doing exactly what's been a proven winner for you? Detailing forums are a lot like photography forums. You're perfectly happy with your work, your friends love it, you get compliments, and your photos have been published in magazines and newspapers and then you find out you've been doing it all wrong.

You see, you have the wrong equipment. That 20.1 megapixel APS-C sensor is a least two stops slower than a full frame sensor. Your lenses suck. Your tripod is inferior. Well, in theory anyway because no true professional is ever going to argue any method that achieves superior results is wrong. Only the amateurs will tell you your doing it wrong and they'll do it without ever seeing your results.

There's an informal car show get together in my little town every Saturday during the summer. Invariably, the guys talking the most about paint care are the guys with the most swirls and holograms on their cars - with wax around the emblems and along the edges of tape stripes.
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When I read through your total posting history it's simply more of the same hostile and demeaning attitude towards our forum members.


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After discussing your posts to our forum with management it was decided that you joined this forum for reason 3 I listed above.


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Crispy said:
I use the water blade too. I've used it a lot (less lately as the duster does the job most days and if not ONR). The Water Blade I researched a bit and found it actually doesn't let dirt drag across the paint at all. You have properly washed and rinsed therefore there is very little debris on the car. When the blade drags off the water it forms a bubble/dam of water in front of the blade, which encapsulates any remaining dirt in the water bead. The blade will not scratch the paint itself, so good to go. If you use any product beyond it's intended use then there are potential issues. Duster is to remove dust and Water Blade is to remove water.
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This owner came to me several years ago for a paint correction. I looked at the car and the first thing I asked him is if use a water blade. He popped the trunk and said you mean this thing?

Several areas on the car had long sweeping scratches, the one below being the worst one, clear signs of water blade use and I've seen it many times in my 25+ years of detailing.



Required wet sanding to remove



Same scenario on this beautiful example of 60's muscle. The car had long sweeping marks on all the horizontal panels that needed wet sanding to remove, again I asked him the owner if he used the water blade and again the owner said yes.

 
But is it the blade itself that caused the scratches or the something that gets trapped between the blade and the paint? If it is not the blade itself, then I would think the the car not being washed properly is the reason for the scratches, not the use of the blade.
 
That was my point with both the duster and the blade. The duster is to remove dust and the blade is to remove water (not debris). I don't have customers so can't compete with 25 years experience, but most of problem seems to be application error (this is human nature-ever tried to put together a kids toy first and then read the directions?). 😀
 
A friend of mine uses that Duster all the time and his paint is swirl city. Ive been asking him to let me correct half the hood and see if his duster is causing it, but he wont let me.
 
zero4 said:
But is it the blade itself that caused the scratches or the something that gets trapped between the blade and the paint? If it is not the blade itself, then I would think the the car not being washed properly is the reason for the scratches, not the use of the blade.
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Regardless the proper-ness of
the washing procedure:

There are always some kind of
contaminates blowing around,
looking for "just the right spot"
upon which to land.


Bob
 
zero4 said:
But is it the blade itself that caused the scratches or the something that gets trapped between the blade and the paint? If it is not the blade itself, then I would think the the car not being washed properly is the reason for the scratches, not the use of the blade.
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Crispy said:
That was my point with both the duster and the blade. The duster is to remove dust and the blade is to remove water (not debris). I don't have customers so can't compete with 25 years experience, but most of problem seems to be application error (this is human nature-ever tried to put together a kids toy first and then read the directions?). ��
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All it takes is that one small particulate that's didn't rinse away, regardless of it being user error or not. Considering the depth and severity of the damage they caused on these two cars and others I've seen in the past, it simply isn't worth the risk for me.

As far as the duster is concerned, I think some paint types are more susceptible or resistant then others when it comes to marring from its use. I used one on my show car for a few years and it was "okay", but it noticeably marred my black Honda. I think most of us have been to enough cars shows to see the long term effects they have on paint too, as very few cars at those shows actually look perfect. You also have to keep in mind that the majority of the users for these products don't sit on forums like we do or understand car care as well as we do.

Most importantly, I think the quote by Mike Phillips plays a role in duster opinion by some in that "most people don't know the difference between a swirl and a squirrel".


Just mt $.02
 
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