Can someone explain “wash induced marring”?

spazzz said:
will do.

I got a free one from Autogeek during a Christmas purchase a couple years ago and for the life of me couldn't find it after.
Well I couldn't find any that were reasonably priced and decent web appeal any other places
I bought 4, 2 packs at $15 apiece. That's reasonable.

I think the amazon folks had them for $6 more per set.
I explained to the kids tonight while washing my daughters car, the future new method of no more rinse bucket.
Big approval on the lotsa pads.
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What car shampoo do you use?
 
I know I’m going to get noise but I’m just asking a question not trying to troll. Technically when applying any coating of say paste wax and spreading it on your car, doesn’t that create scratches? Again not trying to troll, according to every detailer I’ve heard anything that touches the paint is considered a scratch.
 
TrustJesus said:
I know I’m going to get noise but I’m just asking a question not trying to troll. Technically when applying any coating of say paste wax and spreading it on your car, doesn’t that create scratches? Again not trying to troll, according to every detailer I’ve heard anything that touches the paint is considered a scratch.
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While I guess this is technically true, if one is THAT worried about the microscopic marring that would occur while correctly applying a wax, sealant, or even a coating, then that person should seek some sort of psychiatric care.

JMO
 
TrustJesus said:
I know I’m going to get noise but I’m just asking a question not trying to troll. Technically when applying any coating of say paste wax and spreading it on your car, doesn’t that create scratches? Again not trying to troll, according to every detailer I’ve heard anything that touches the paint is considered a scratch.
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I think the better way to put it would be when buffing off a sealant or coating... When doing so you’re eventually dry buffing, and in the eyes of those people that should induce swirls.

I personally don’t believe that at all. As long as the paint is clean there shouldn’t be any possibility of swirls unless your towels are truly bad or the paint is crazy soft... And if the paint is that soft you might want to consider getting rid of the car. Lol
 
TrustJesus said:
I know I’m going to get noise but I’m just asking a question not trying to troll. Technically when applying any coating of say paste wax and spreading it on your car, doesn’t that create scratches? Again not trying to troll, according to every detailer I’ve heard anything that touches the paint is considered a scratch.
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If :

1. The paint surface is clean (no dust, pollen, etc.)
2. You use a high quality MF or foam applicator that is free of contamination
3. You use a wax or sealant that has no abrasives (ie. no AIO's)
4. You use high quality MF towels for removal/buff that are free of contamination

Then I'd say the chance of scratching the paint is almost non-existent.
 
my wife has a 2018 Dodge Durango GT red octane pearl coat. From your experience do Dodge have soft paint?
 
TrustJesus said:
my wife has a 2018 Dodge Durango GT red octane pearl coat. From your experience do Dodge have soft paint?
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In my experience, no. They do not. All I have corrected in my life have been Mopar vehicles.

But every case can be different.
 
57Rambler said:
If :

1. The paint surface is clean (no dust, pollen, etc.)
2. You use a high quality MF or foam applicator that is free of contamination
3. You use a wax or sealant that has no abrasives (ie. no AIO's)
4. You use high quality MF towels for removal/buff that are free of contamination

Then I'd say the chance of scratching the paint is almost non-existent.
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Agree. If you're getting marring while applying an LSP you're doing it wrong. The applicators and MF towels using to apply/buff out the product should be soft enough and free of any embedded debris to ensure any marring is a non-issue.
 
Desertnate said:
Agree. If you're getting marring while applying an LSP you're doing it wrong. The applicators and MF towels using to apply/buff out the product should be soft enough and free of any embedded debris to ensure any marring is a non-issue.
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If you can post some recommendations for microfiber applicator pads and towels that you tried thank you, I’m trying to learn the right way
 
What are you trying to apply? For LSPs I use my DA and Lake County's soft, black, foam pad. On tight areas I use the Meguiars foam applicators, but the Griot soft applicator pads would probably work just as well. Both are sold here. For coatings I use the applicator and the suede patches sold with the applicator. I don't use the suede rag most include as it doesn't work well for me.

For buffing out I'll use a quality, but not expensive general purpose MF towel not sold here, but those sold here will work very well too. The trick with the towels is not only getting good ones, but also keeping them soft and free from debris. One small fleck of something hard caught in the fabric will cause big problems.

Technique also comes into play. if your pressing too hard on the towel, no matter what it is, you could get some marring. Any buffing should be gentle. Most products will go on really thin which will make removal really easy as long as you don't let them stay on too long.
 
Desertnate
Thank you for taking your time to answer my question and help me out. I’m talking about Meguiars hybrid ceramic wax for example. What microfiber pads and towels would you specifically recommend for me in this case. I bought a bottle and honestly it leaves a haze on our Durango because I’m doing it wrong.

I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, wash, dry truck then apply hybrid ceramic wax Meguiars. The next day I see all this haze all over. Makes me mad, I really want to learn. I know experience is my best teacher and there no fast track. I do have a 3” Rotary Polisher with a black foam pad, I’ll try that. Either way I know it’s a learning process, at least for me. Lol
 
Here's a good article by The Man (compliments of SkyNet) re: hand polishing & waxing technique. They key point is to use the whole hand and not just the fingertips.


How to use a hand applied abrasive polish or paint cleaner by hand


Here's my favorite MF towels for wax/polish/sealant removal and final buffing :


Cobra Forrest Green Edgeless. I use these for the inital wipe/removal. They also come in other colors if that matters to you.

Cobra 12 Pack Forrest Green Edgeless Microfiber Polishing Cloths


Griot's PFM Wax Removal. These are very nice, almost too nice, so I save them for use only with products I know will wash out easily (I have had some issues with certain sealants being difficult to wash out of MF's).

Griots Garage PFM Wax Removal Towel, Set of 4


Cobra Super Plush Jr. This is what I use for my final buff and also when using a QD. They are definitely super plush and soft. I like the 16x16 (ie. Jr.) size as they are easier to handle.

Cobra Super Plush Junior Microfiber Towels 6 Pack
 
@57Ramer I thank you for your time I do. I’m trying to better my skills because I have my own detailing business, God first I’ll succeed. Thank you for taking YOUR time to write and post all those links for me. Take care
 
PaulMys said:
In my experience, no. They do not. All I have corrected in my life have been Mopar vehicles.

But every case can be different.
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Can you share how you got experience correcting vehicles? A local garage told me I can go get free panels fo practice on, but how would I recycle them. Lol
 
Just like the "Holy" phrase here on AGO of "Test spot" implies.....

Finding "THE best" of anything really comes down to experimentation.

Different cars, different paints, different products/machines.

You can only learn so much from reading/inquiries. The next step is to dive in and see what works for you.

All AGO members started from square one, so I know first-hand the sea of confusion you are experiencing.

Time to pick a line and dive in, brother. :)
 
TrustJesus said:
Can you share how you got experience correcting vehicles? A local garage told me I can go get free panels fo practice on, but how would I recycle them. Lol
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Yes I can.

Months of reading, weeks of questions/PM's to senior members, then just picking what I thought was best from all suggestions. Then I just dove in head first.

And I learned that all of my worries were unfounded. Paint correction is not rocket science.
 
PaulMys, thanks again. Well it doesn’t help when the people you listen to make it seem so difficult. A detailer from YouTube made a video made it seem like it was the hardest thinks. Of course the comments section had people giving him piece of there mind, well I already got a 3” rotary polisher. I’m just dive in, and ready to make mistakes lol
 
TrustJesus said:
Desertnate
Thank you for taking your time to answer my question and help me out. I’m talking about Meguiars hybrid ceramic wax for example. What microfiber pads and towels would you specifically recommend for me in this case. I bought a bottle and honestly it leaves a haze on our Durango because I’m doing it wrong.

I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, wash, dry truck then apply hybrid ceramic wax Meguiars. The next day I see all this haze all over. Makes me mad, I really want to learn. I know experience is my best teacher and there no fast track. I do have a 3” Rotary Polisher with a black foam pad, I’ll try that. Either way I know it’s a learning process, at least for me. Lol
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It's hard to diagnose without any pictures, but if you are seeing haze the day after the work is complete and not immediately afterwards, you might be seeing some side effects from applying the sealant too thick, not buffing it out completely, or simply letting it sit too long before buffing out which leads to not being removed completely. Hard to say.

Is you 3" polisher a true rotary or a dual action polisher with a 3" head on it? A true rotary might not be a good idea for sealant application as it will generate too much heat and cause even more problems. Even when applying a sealant with my DA I keep it really slow on speed 2 or 3 just to keep things safe.
 
@Desertnate, I wasn’t properly buffing it out. I tried it again and it looks awesome. The 3” rotary is a true rotary not DA.

Stupid question but I don’t know, if you apply Meguiars hybrid ceramic liquid wax and it rains am I suppose to go dry it or not?
 
TrustJesus said:
Stupid question but I don’t know, if you apply Meguiars hybrid ceramic liquid wax and it rains am I suppose to go dry it or not?
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Absolutely not. If you go outside and dry rain off your car you’ll wind up instilling swirls because the surface you’re wiping down isn’t clean.
 
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