Can you layer Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating?

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Hi everyone!

It's my first official post on autogeek, but I have been lurking and detailing for a long time.

I recently purchased the Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Coating Elite Kit and over the weekend polished, cleaned and prepped my paint according to the directions and then applied my first layer of Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating.

It went on pretty good, but I kept feeling like I needed to spray a bit more on the car as I was applying it to make sure I felt it covered the whole surface, since the recommended 4 sprays per panel didn't seem to cut it on my Land Rover LR4 (big truck). when I over applied it (say 6 sprays) and immediatly buffed it gently with a microfiber to remove streaks and high spots it seemed like it worked better.

So my question is this. If I wanted, can I apply a second coat of Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating directly on top of my previous coat once its fully cured in a day? That way I would know I got everything covered correctly.I am guessing not since the two layers could counteract each other and the 2nd coat wouldn't adhere fully like it would when you prep the paint with the Black Label Surface Cleansing Polish.

Lastly, can I remove an existing layer of the
Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating by hand with the Cleansing Polish?

Any info would be most appreciated!

Happy Holidays,

Macro
 
Yes you can layer a second coat.

No, the cleansing prep polish will not remove the coating.
 
StangFan25 said:
Yes you can layer a second coat.

No, the cleansing prep polish will not remove the coating.
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Awesome, thanks StangFan!

I don't need to reapply the cleansing prep polish do it? Just add another layer of Paint Coating, correct? The truck is in the garage and has not been subjected to any weather or contaminations.

Macro
 
Hi.

Are you sure you can layer another coat of 'the coat'? From what I know you can layer PBL coating with carnauba waxes, and it's not explicit if carnauba 'pure' or with cleaners. I also would like to know if I can layer with a synthetic sealant over the coat.

Any help on this is very welcome.

Talking about that, Welcome to AGO, hope you enjoy here as I do.

Kind Regards.
 
Tato said:
Hi.

Are you sure you can layer another coat of 'the coat'? From what I know you can layer PBL coating with carnauba waxes, and it's not explicit if carnauba 'pure' or with cleaners. I also would like to know if I can layer with a synthetic sealant over the coat.

Any help on this is very welcome.

Talking about that, Welcome to AGO, hope you enjoy here as I do.

Kind Regards.
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Thanks Tato,

Just to be clear, I am asking the same thing, I.E. layering two coats of Pinnacle Black Label Diamond Paint Coating on top of each other, with nothing between them. I'm pretty sure StangFan understood that, but its always safe to absolutely confirm that. The last thing I want to do is screw up all that work I just did on the truck and have to re polish the entire thing to get a compromised coating off.

Anyone from autogeek know for sure? Id love add another coat today or tomorrow at latest. Going to work on the wheels and glass tonight.

Macro
 
I do believe Nick said for sure you can layer PBL Sealant, Wax over the top of PBL coating. As for adding another layer of coating over the top of existing coating, I don't see how it can bond to paint if there is a layer of coating already cured...
 
I don't see a way of applying PBL coating over it's own.

I say that because in one of the applications I've done, the other day I had some high spots that had to be buffed away with a MF towel and a QD. Without QD, I couldn't remove that high spots, they 'stick' to the towel and the car paint / glass (sorry, I can't describe that in english, it was a bit mess).

That said, what may happen is that a 'second coat' may behave like those high spots I've seen, and they are 'sticky' and also don't dry well as the properly applied coat.

The cause of my high spots is known, I've applied too much on some areas.

But I've done that, to avoid wanting to put a second layer of coating later!

What I've done with great success was applying Souveran Wax (liquid) to the coating, and that improved even more the slickness (!). I believe it's a great add as a sacrificial barrier, however, you'll have to reapply it after every 3-4 months... Why coating?

Some are in favor of layering the coat, other are against. I'm pretty sure we will not get in a consensus.

However, it would be nice if Nick came here to answer the layering / topping coat question a lot of people would like to know details about this subject.

I'm waiting for that.

Thank you in advance,

A good experiment to start: take a 'hidden' spot on your car that had been coated, and reapply there. Check the results within 1, 2, and 3 days, at least, and see how it works. Always do a test spot after reapplying the whole car (even if on says here: Yes, reapply coat over coat).

Kind Regards.
 
would be nice to layer the coatings tho
 
You can put PBL sealant over the PBL coating after a 24 hour cure time to get a longer lasting finish. No need to apply polish again. I wouldn't put a coating on a coating since a coating needs to bond to paint.
 
wouldn't the second coating not bond to the first but missed spots will bond?
just my $.02
 
I've sent a PM to Nick himself to give an 'official' answer regarding this subject.

Hope we will have an answer on this subject soon.

Kind Regards.
 
Although I don't have/use the PBL paint coating I do use the DP paint coating and when I applied it for the 1st time I came back around when I was done and applied a 2nd coat right away, no issues, no high spots, just an awesome finish, so easy to use!

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Klasse Act said:
Although I don't have/use the PBL paint coating I do use the DP paint coating and when I applied it for the 1st time I came back around when I was done and applied a 2nd coat right away, no issues, no high spots, just an awesome finish, so easy to use!

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I have never used DP paint coating, but I can tell you that PBL coating takes a while to cure which seems to work well for amateurs like me since you can level it quite a bit of time after application. I would think that adding a coat right after based on my experience with it would just be a waste of product unless you missed a spot. Again, just my experience in doing the wife's SUV.
 
Hello.

Thank you for answer.

In any way I'm trying to put your statement in doubt. Like I've said, I've applied some souveran liquid over cured coating with very nice results.

It's likely that if I've applied any 'conventional' LSP (waxes, sealants, etc) would have worked nice also.

Maybe even 'coat with coat' works, I can't say.

What is making me want to be 101% SURE is because my last PBL coating application was almost a mess.

'Thank God' the client returned the next day to show me how wonderful, shiny and slick his car looked (before it was a 2013 (6 months old) 'opaque with a #400 GRIT feeling paint'). Thanks to his weekly maintenance ultra-care with dawn dish soap.

When I saw the high spots ALL OVER the entire car, I almost 'fainted'. When I've tried to remove the spots (it was almost 18 hours later) they started to stick to vehicle and MF towel. They haven't fully dried at all. Looked really like 'excess product applied'.

Luckily, using a quick detailer (Meg's FI #34) took care of all spots...

That never happened before, but the day of application we had temperature of 40ºC in my region, I can't say how it affected coat application. Also, I've tried to use a bit more than I'm used to avoid missing any spot. That was almost a 'recipe' to disaster.

By the way, the client haven't even noticed any of those spots, so people who 'don't know' will not even care for that. I will.

That's the only reason I'm considering important an 'official' recommendation. It's for my fault, not for putting in question any of your statement. Sorry if it looked like that.

Thank you in advance,

Kind Regards.
 
Tato said:
Hello.

Thank you for answer.

In any way I'm trying to put your statement in doubt. Like I've said, I've applied some souveran liquid over cured coating with very nice results.

It's likely that if I've applied any 'conventional' LSP (waxes, sealants, etc) would have worked nice also.

Maybe even 'coat with coat' works, I can't say.

What is making me want to be 101% SURE is because my last PBL coating application was almost a mess.

'Thank God' the client returned the next day to show me how wonderful, shiny and slick his car looked (before it was a 2013 (6 months old) 'opaque with a #400 GRIT feeling paint'). Thanks to his weekly maintenance ultra-care with dawn dish soap.

When I saw the high spots ALL OVER the entire car, I almost 'fainted'. When I've tried to remove the spots (it was almost 18 hours later) they started to stick to vehicle and MF towel. They haven't fully dried at all. Looked really like 'excess product applied'.

Luckily, using a quick detailer (Meg's FI #34) took care of all spots...

That never happened before, but the day of application we had temperature of 40ºC in my region, I can't say how it affected coat application. Also, I've tried to use a bit more than I'm used to avoid missing any spot. That was almost a 'recipe' to disaster.

By the way, the client haven't even noticed any of those spots, so people who 'don't know' will not even care for that. I will.

That's the only reason I'm considering important an 'official' recommendation. It's for my fault, not for putting in question any of your statement. Sorry if it looked like that.

Thank you in advance,

Kind Regards.
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No problems. I had the same leveling problem you did with the coating. Fortunately I leveled it about 2 hours after the application and it was easy to do. In the garage where I applied it, I didn't see it even with good lighting, but when I backed it out to look at it in the sun it was noticeable on my wife's dark blue SUV. I was happy that it didn't cure that quickly for folks like me who are amateurs.

By the way, I didn't take your question as questioning my answer, I was just trying to help. Have a great day.
 
By the way, I didn't take your question as questioning my answer, I was just trying to help. Have a great day.
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Oh, ok, thank you for that. I always thought difficult to read the real feeling of forum messages, some are misunderstood. Sometimes we put a message happy and laughing and the 'other side' reads as we were angry!

I thought I was misunderstood because I have to try to write in a foreign language (difficult to express) and the chance of misunderstood is higher. Sorry for that,

Have a great day you too!

Kind Regards.
 
wrx495 said:
wouldn't the second coating not bond to the first but missed spots will bond?
just my $.02
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This would be the only reason to apply a "2nd coat."

If you apply the product properly, there will be no need for a 2nd coat. Adding an additional layer is not going to increase longevity.

What you can do that is beneficial is to apply a coat of your favorite carnauba (finishing) wax after the coating has cured.

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Hi, thank you for answer.

Is there any harm if the carnauba wax has some cleaners on it?

I also have some Meguiar's Ultimate Paste Wax here, do you think it can do any harm if I apply it to the coat after it has cured? I'm not asking about 'being good', but will it harm?

Thank you very much again in advance,

Kind Regards.
 
Thanks Nick, I paln on doing just that but not till after winter is over, doing a Speedy Prep process, DP paint prep, 1 coat of DPPC and once its cured, one of my many selants/waxes to put ontop of it. I'm very happy w/ the perf of DPPC so I'm all in about paint coatings, seems PBL, Opti-Coat and CQuartz users are also just as happy.

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