Car had opticoat glass coating, now has water spots, does it means that coating has gone ? Clay bar to remove water spots ?

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Car had opticoat glass coating, now has water spots, does it means that coating has gone ? Clay bar to remove water spots ?

Hello,

Car was coated almost 2 years ago, but after cleaning the car without drying it, it now has water spots.

Do you think that it means that the glass coating has gone already ? Or a car that is glass coated can still have water spots ?

And what is the best solution to remove water spots ? Clay bar ?

Thank you so much for your help.
 
Glass itself gets water spots and etching. Lots of threads with good tips on removing them, try white vinegar on a small test area first.
 
If you used Opti Glass two years ago, it's probably gone. Using clay may help a little, but will not remove the water spotting completely. Use a water spot remover for glass..you don't want to use an acid as it may rainbow your glass.
 
Sorry I hope that I am clear enough, the car has coating on paint, I am not sure if its called glass coating but it's opticoat.

So after almost 2 years it must be gone ? And the reason why I have water spots ?

Clay bar seems to remove them, watch this video please ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgZkoaAHczo

If claying the car is not enough, is it ok to use chemical AFTER ?

Thanks again.


ps" vinegar and lemon didn't work and reading a lot on the topic it seems to almost NEVER work.
 
Iron-x
Decon wash
maybe clay

Inspect. You may be surprised.
 
IronX won't remove embedded water spots. Nor will it remove above surface contaminants. Only clay can do that..

However if you clay your paint you're sure to remove most if not all of the coating [assuming it's still on there after 2yrs. which is a slim chance]
Clay may or may not remove the water spots, but at least it'll remove loads of contaminants that are surely embedded into your paint after going 2yrs. now with nothing to protect against them bonding to surface...

I'm glad I never have to worry about parking next to sprinklers. Go ahead and turn them on because my car's not coated, it's protected against water spots. :)

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Thank you, so if I clay the car and still have water spots, I can use chemical guys spot remover AFTER claying ?
 
Eldorado2k said:
I'm glad I never have to worry about parking next to sprinklers. Go ahead and turn them on because my car's not coated, it's protected against water spots. :



So what do you do, shoot it with DI water before it dries?
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benzw205 said:
Thank you, so if I clay the car and still have water spots, I can use chemical guys spot remover AFTER claying ?
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Sure, there's certainly no harm in trying a dedicated water spot remover when used as directed. Just keep in mind that most if not all coatings don't claim to be able to survive through either of those 2 methods, but at this point the most important thing is removing those water spots, correct?

If those 2 steps don't work, polish would be next in line, then compound, then wetsanding, etc... But you should be alright since I take it these water spots are somewhat recent.
 
Rsurfer said:
Eldorado2k said:
I'm glad I never have to worry about parking next to sprinklers. Go ahead and turn them on because my car's not coated, it's protected against water spots. :



So what do you do, shoot it with DI water before it dries?
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Nope, I didn't do anything. I just leave it be, they could be on there till the next time I wash the car and they come right off.
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benzw205 said:
Car was coated almost 2 years ago, but after cleaning the car without drying it, it now has water spots.
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benzw205 said:
Sorry I hope that I am clear enough, the car has coating on paint, I am not sure if its called glass coating but it's opticoat.

So after almost 2 years it must be gone ? And the reason why I have water spots ?


If claying the car is not enough, is it ok to use chemical AFTER ?
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The above is why you have water spots. Any water that is not filtered will spot. Coatings are not water spot proof. They can spot just like a wax or sealant.

Water spots are not an indication that the coating has failed. The incorrect washing is the cause.

CarolinasFinestDetailing said:
OP, if you have Opti Coat Pro, you should contact your authorized installer for help with removal.
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I agree with this. If it is Opti Coat Pro or Pro+ then contact your authorized installer.

If this was just opti-coat 2.0 (which is now Gloss Coat) then you can try something like Optimum MDR to remove the water spots. It may or may not work depending on how long the spots have been on the paint.

I would also start with a decon wash as Ron pointed out and then use MDR. If they are not gone by this point then polishing may be needed.

These are my notes from listening to the podcast episode Yvan and Dann speak about the chemical decon wash as well. It is around the 20 min mark.

Optimum Synergy Podcast: Questions and Answers from HQ, And Cory, Who Makes Fresh!

Here are the highlights.


Pre-Wash with ONR
MDR at 3:1. Safe to use around glass and trim. Can be sprayed over the ONR surface. Let dwell for 3-5 mins. Do not let dry.
Agitate if heavily contaminated by using a microfiber towel (plush towel/long nap) that has been soaked in the ONR bucket. Go around the entire vehicle with the towel on the ONR/MDR surface mix. Do not place the towel back into the ONR bucket.
Power Clean at 3:1. Keep it off glass. Let it dwell for a couple minutes. Agitate with a microfiber towel soaked in ONR. Do not put towel back into ONR bucket.
Rinse. Rinse with hose water.
Ferrex. Can agitate with ONR damp microfiber
Rinse. Final Rinse.

All steps do not have to be done. Depends on how contaminated the surface is.

I personally like use Ferrex as the first step on the dry paint even with dirt on the surface. The reason for this is to get the full performance out of it instead of being diluted with water on the surface. I will then rinse it with water to get all the ferrex off the surface. Then depending on the contaminants, I would either use power clean and/or MDR.

Start with ferrex first. That may be all you need to do. There is also the mechanical decon using the wash, clay, wax method.
 
Thank you ! What I am sure is that I won't do any of these ridiculous expensive coating anymore !
When buying a brand new German car you feel guilty if you don't do it, but after few years you understand better what kind of scam it is !
I am not thinking that a regular clay bar and wax is a lot better than useless coating scam !
 
benzw205 said:
Thank you ! What I am sure is that I won't do any of these ridiculous expensive coating anymore !
When buying a brand new German car you feel guilty if you don't do it, but after few years you understand better what kind of scam it is !
I am not thinking that a regular clay bar and wax is a lot better than useless coating scam !
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Ill try and address your frustration in an unbiased way. In your original post, you made this statement:

"Car was coated almost 2 years ago, but after cleaning the car without drying it, it now has water spots"



I never recommend cleaning a car and not drying it regardless if you have a coating, wax, etc. Even if you have deionized water. My hope is that you were not improperly educated on what a coating does and its job. You can water spot a coating just like you can water spot a vehicle with a wax or sealant.

Here is my recommendation:

- Notify your Authorized Installer and explain the situation. He/She has things to try and remove the spots from the coating. Optimum MDR would be the first thing to try. I can't tell you what he/she will charge.

- In the future, always dry your car. If you feel the need, send me a message and I will be happy to explain to you the rinseless method of washing I teach my customers, send you a link to the video I did, and even make other recommendations to help you in the future.
 
benzw205 said:
Thank you ! What I am sure is that I won't do any of these ridiculous expensive coating anymore !
When buying a brand new German car you feel guilty if you don't do it, but after few years you understand better what kind of scam it is !
I am not thinking that a regular clay bar and wax is a lot better than useless coating scam !
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A coating is not a scam as long as you maintain it properly.
 
For me paying a coating was a chance to forget to care the car for 2 years at least. So I will consider it a scam if I still have to care for it. If it's to have as many problems, better wax the car, it's a lot cheaper at least !
 
CarolinasFinestDetailing said:
Ill try and address your frustration in an unbiased way. In your original post, you made this statement:

"Car was coated almost 2 years ago, but after cleaning the car without drying it, it now has water spots"



I never recommend cleaning a car and not drying it regardless if you have a coating, wax, etc. Even if you have deionized water. My hope is that you were not improperly educated on what a coating does and its job. You can water spot a coating just like you can water spot a vehicle with a wax or sealant.

Here is my recommendation:

- Notify your Authorized Installer and explain the situation. He/She has things to try and remove the spots from the coating. Optimum MDR would be the first thing to try. I can't tell you what he/she will charge.

- In the future, always dry your car. If you feel the need, send me a message and I will be happy to explain to you the rinseless method of washing I teach my customers, send you a link to the video I did, and even make other recommendations to help you in the future.
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Thank you for your reply. I didn't dry the car because many times I just wanted to clean birds poo and trees poo :-)
I now know that I was wrong.
Please share your links for the rinseless method ?
Thanks again.
 
benzw205 said:
For me paying a coating was a chance to forget to care the car for 2 years at least. So I will consider it a scam if I still have to care for it. If it's to have as many problems, better wax the car, it's a lot cheaper at least !
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You were misinformed as coatings are not set and forget it. They still need maintaining.

If they were a set it and forget it, then we would all have coatings on our cars and never worry about any car care.
 
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