Car pro Exlir or P&S beadmaker. Is one better than the other?

camaro2ssblack said:
I’m really not following your intent on this thread. What did the picture of the swirled up car after using Uber waterless have anything to do with Beadmaker and it’s quick detailing characteristics? I’m confused.
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My point was, would you use Beadmaker to clean that hood the way I used WG Uber? Because IMO that’s the definition of a dusty vehicle that any good quik detailer should be able to handle.
 
Eldorado2k said:
My point was, would you use Beadmaker to clean that hood the way I used WG Uber? Because IMO that’s the definition of a dusty vehicle that any good quik detailer should be able to handle.
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I’ve never tried it but I have no doubt it could wipe off dust and leave swirls just like your Uber did lol.
 
Re: Car pro Exlir or P&S beadmaker. Is one better than the other?

WristyManchego said:
Makes sense. Would you use it as a dedicated sealant?
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If you use it once or twice a week like I do than the answer is yes. Presently using it as a topper over CQuartz Pro.
 
Re: Car pro Exlir or P&S beadmaker. Is one better than the other?

Rsurfer said:
If you use it once or twice a week like I do than the answer is yes. Presently using it as a topper over CQuartz Pro.
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The question was, would YOU use it as a dedicated sealant?
 
Re: Car pro Exlir or P&S beadmaker. Is one better than the other?

WristyManchego said:
The question was, would YOU use it as a dedicated sealant?
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I would not for my specific reasons. Soon our summer will kick in here in AZ (108-120 degrees) and LOTS of strong UV’s. Then monsoon season.

I have CQUK on all my vehicles. I use CarPro products to compliment the coating
- Ech2o
- Elixer
- Reload as my booster.

I have a little experience with BM... good stuff but despite it being called a “sealant” when I tried it as such, I did not see the hydrophobic qualities of a coating, and longevity was short.

That is just my opinion though. Your mileage may vary.


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Re: Car pro Exlir or P&S beadmaker. Is one better than the other?

Rsurfer said:
If you use it once or twice a week like I do than the answer is yes. Presently using it as a topper over CQuartz Pro.
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How's CQuartz Pro holding up underneath, are you noticing any hydrophobic boosting or masking out of Bead Maker? Mohs got hammered again by heavy hard water spotting recently, touched it up with Bead Maker last week which did another killer job of reviving the gloss and slickness, tomorrow I run the rinse test to check the revival properties.
 
Re: Car pro Exlir or P&S beadmaker. Is one better than the other?

Loach said:
How's CQuartz Pro holding up underneath, are you noticing any hydrophobic boosting or masking out of Bead Maker? Mohs got hammered again by heavy hard water spotting recently, touched it up with Bead Maker last week which did another killer job of reviving the gloss and slickness, tomorrow I run the rinse test to check the revival properties.
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Pro is going on two years and was topped with Reload until 2 months ago when I began using BM.

Beading with Reload vrs BM is a little tighter, but not by much.

BM shines in slickness and gloss over Reload.

BM suffers on the durability side, but I enjoy using BM often that it's a non issue.
 
Really splitting hairs in this thread. You could use nothing but water and a plush microfiber towel and come out swirl free on a dusty car versus using "the slickest, best drying aid/detail spray ever" with a little more hand pressure and creating swirls.

With most any product AG sells and some attention to what you're doing, you can end up mostly swirl free. Sure there are exceptions, but don't get lost in the minutiae.
 
I say we mix Beadmaker with Mother’s CMX. We call it BMX. Market it as Sio2 super quick sealant that my or may not remove dust and or leave sio2 behind. Everyone on forum uses for a month. Whoever has the most swirls wins.


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If it catches on like Merlin’s elixir, can we call it Crack’s BMX?


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Car pro Exlir or P&S beadmaker. Is one better than the other?

AZpolisher15 said:
Really splitting hairs in this thread. You could use nothing but water and a plush microfiber towel and come out swirl free on a dusty car versus using "the slickest, best drying aid/detail spray ever" with a little more hand pressure and creating swirls.

With most any product AG sells and some attention to what you're doing, you can end up mostly swirl free. Sure there are exceptions, but don't get lost in the minutiae.
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Respect. The dude speaks absolute sense.

Bead Maker is one of those products that reeks of marketing, It was made in 2015 and apparently launched in 2016 (from memory) and perhaps failed to find its place in the market. it’s been mentioned by Mr P&S that it was fuelled by organic hype but I’d be willing to put money on a relaunch and agreement being made with The Rag Company to do it.

That alone isn’t a problem though, the problem is how the product was pushed, as being “the best spray sealant” which, as those who have used it know, is far from being the truth.

Beadmaker is fantastic at all its other claims, and in some cases (gloss and slickness in a spray) is the market leader. Spray sealant or not, it’s place in the arsenal of a detailer remains solidly in the “drying aid”/“quick detailer” category.

Not one person yet had claimed to use this as a dedicated spray sealant nor, when interested in it, have said they would (besides maybe Pan). But he probably has a closet full of “Wash Wednesday” t-shirts.

Sticklers challenge the product should be used as advertised are missing a trick.

Speak to the geniuses at 3M, they develop brilliant #### every month of the year however if he product team can’t find a market for it, it is relegated to the basement.

Sure P&S aren’t as big as 3M but they’d know a thing or two about product positioning if they’ve decided to get a bro like Renny Doyle on the books.
 
I’ll add my two cents. I have used BM as a drying aid/topper/sacrificial layer, etc. That’s what I’ve used it as (once so far), what I planned to use it as, and what I will use it as going forward. That’s all. I have my WW option(Opti-Clean) as I don’t need a separate QD. Don’t really believe in stand alone QD’s anymore.

I don’t really care about the marketing game to be honest as everyone plays that one to the best of their abilities. I have no SCIENTIFIC tests available so I won’t make any claims as to durability. But I will offer my personal observation. There are many (not all) who are regurgitating negative claims, of its “lack of durability” as gospel without proper testing/use themselves of the product in that particular use space (durability), and/or are instead relying on quick YouTube vids and random reddit/forum comments to support their statements. Again, not everyone is doing this.

Now, here’s my non-official, non-scientific, personal observation. I’m not saying it will suffice as a stand-alone sealant (marketing game) but it does last longer than a “few washes”. I would say that and similar statements are somewhat of a hyperbole at best. By the way, does anyone on here actually use just one stand alone sealant with no toppers/drying/sacrificial layers? Haha.

I did a strip wash about a month and a half ago and put on Collinite 845, a product with which I am familiar, especially with durability, beading, shine, gloss, etc. It was on a few weeks before I added BM. Only added it the one time so far. No top ups. Wanted to see how it would do with the one application. We’ve been getting hammered with rain/snow and my vehicle sits outside at night. I’ll leave with this. It definitely seems (to me) to have better beading, shine and slickness than it would have with the Collinite alone. I’ve done 3 or 4 washes since tossing it on. So it’s still there clearly. That’s just my take....Regardless. I like the stuff so far. Super easy to apply(everywhere) and take off. Oh and it’s cheap. Works for me.


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Fenwayfan77 said:
By the way, does anyone on here actually use just one stand alone sealant with no toppers/drying/sacrificial layers? Haha.
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Yes, I do. As a matter of fact, just a few hours ago I went to the coin op to do a waterless wash with Megs D114, then I applied a layer of sealant.

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Why? Because I saw this. [it actually started raining right as I was finishing up]

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I don’t settle for weak “sacrificial” layers that don’t actually layer... I don’t use spray waxes or toppers, I prefer a strong singular layer of protection.

That’s why my car’s outside beading fiercely and will be staying clean all week.

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Eldorado2k said:
Yes, I do. As a matter of fact, just a few hours ago I went to the coin op to do a waterless wash with Megs D114, then I applied a layer of sealant.

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Why? Because I saw this. [it actually started raining right as I was finishing up]

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I don’t settle for weak “sacrificial” layers that don’t actually layer... I don’t use spray waxes or toppers, I prefer a strong singular layer of protection.

That’s why my car’s outside beading fiercely and will be staying clean all week.

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That comment was facetious in nature, tongue in cheek if you will. Thus my utilization of the “haha” afterwards. It was based on the ever increasing trend of multiple layers/toppers etc. If you don’t use them, it’s all good.

I also use strong sealants/waxes as well as a primary layer. I would assume most people do.


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After going through this thread and reading all the banter I'm going to be adding a coat of Beadmaker to my car that I washed last night, thank you everyone

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