carnuba and acrylic sealant (klasse)

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Hey guys just wondering, if it makes a difference weather or not you first put the carnuba on and then the sealant or does it have to be the other way around?
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andy
 
I'm no expert but i think you should always apply carnauba last because it will prevent bonding or be removed by the next product, and you will not have the carnauba shine. And since sealants are usually more durable it makes sense to put them on first.
 
Well I'm not a really good fan of mixing polymers with carnauba but if I was to I would put the sealant on first ..
 
Klasse SG won't bond to a wax. In fact, no sealant will. You only apply carnauba over a sealant and never the other way around. :) And once you put that layer of carnuba on top, remember that you can't put any more sealant on. So just be sure you are good with your layers. SG looks best after 4 or 5 coats, so get those on first before the wax. And make sure you are waiting for the product to cure for 18-24 hours before doing anything. SG needs to cure properly for best results. It isn't like a wax...
 
ok! Although i did do it backwards. Not with klasse though, I used Megs deep crystal carnuba, and on top of that 1Z Glanz wax. It has a deep shine, and from what i can see (its raining) its beading rather nicely. Does doing it backwards have any ill effect on the paint??
thanks guys!!
 
no ill effects on paint, just durabilty of the sealant
 
andym said:
ok! Although i did do it backwards. Not with klasse though, I used Megs deep crystal carnuba, and on top of that 1Z Glanz wax. It has a deep shine, and from what i can see (its raining) its beading rather nicely. Does doing it backwards have any ill effect on the paint??
thanks guys!!
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There will actually be an appearance difference just due to the refraction of light being different, but that's about it. The sealant is going to wear off in a matter of weeks if not days since it isn't bonded to the oils or fillers of the carnauba. Water beading on the surface doesn't indicate protection necessarily. It just indicates surface tension. I would recommend you use AIO on the vehicle and start over with SG first and then a paste carnauba. Liquid carnaubas have a certain level of solvent to them which can remove layers below them. Paste carnaubas aren't typically cleaner waxes, so they are much safer.
 
Thanks for sharing all this info:xyxthumbs:
Its nice to know the science behind the shine!!
andy
 
andym said:
ok! Although i did do it backwards. Not with klasse though, I used Megs deep crystal carnuba, and on top of that 1Z Glanz wax. It has a deep shine, and from what i can see (its raining) its beading rather nicely. Does doing it backwards have any ill effect on the paint??
thanks guys!!
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1Z polishes contain carnauba and glanz wax is supposed to work fine on top of that. SG is totally different, but I think the glanz will last a decent amount of time though not ideal on top of the megs.
 
will Klasse last in hot weather conditions ?
what is the difference between sealant glaze and a pure sealant?
if klasse is polycharged will the results be better will it last longer?
how long do i wait for a second coat of klasse?

sorry for all the questions i am new and confussed currently i use DGPS 3.0 and i feel there is a duribility problem?
 
Basic steps in order are:

  • Wash
  • Clay
  • Compound
  • Polish
  • Seal
  • Wax
Klasse offers a great sealant. :props:

"Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze creates an elastic, non-chip, shrink-proof, heat and scratch resistant - protective seal against ultraviolet rays, salt water, acid rain and industrial pollutants for up to 12 months. Use this glaze on all paints with or without clear coats, glass, fiberglass, Plexiglass, plastics, metal surfaces, enamel, tiles, Formica and all non-porous surfaces. It is anti-static, non-abrasive and contains no ingredients harmful to paint, metal or plastic."

Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze, klasse SG sealant, klasse sealant glase,klasse sealant


http://www.autogeek.net/pisisepawax.html
 
simply put .. the design of a sealant is to bond directly to paint. The oils in 'nuba waxes "could" effect it. So best practice is to use sealant first and nuba last. Nubas often look wetter and deeper too which is why many want or suggest topping a sealant.
 
Could you use a Nuba, then some synthetic wax or urethane on top; this way locking in the nuba shine, and having the protection of the synthetic for the elements?
 
@ BobbyG

thanks for the product info..
i would like to understand the difference between a pure sealant and glaze?
one of the top notch detailers in thailand told me that me never uses glase and that has confussed since then.
well in any case i have decided to get some klasse glaze and would you recemond the use of polycharge booster with it?
 
KSG is pretty bulletproof on it's own (add 2-3 layers, waiting 8-12 hours in between each) so adding polycharger may not be worth it in the long run. Klasse is called a sealant glaze but it is a sealant. Companies use confusing terminology sometimes that makes you think a product is something it is not. Wolfgang finishing glaze is another weird one. This one is actually a polish. It's kinda like the English language -- lots of exceptions that you just have to know or learn with time...

Pure glazes are oils and fillers that hide swirls. Sometimes if you don't have time to polish, or want to nourish single stage paints, you can use these but they don't last that long. Purists though, would rather get rid of the swirls by polishing. That is why the pro detailer told you he doesn't use them. He'd rather make the paint perfect than disguise it with fillers.

I personally like glazes (they have hybrid ones now too with better durability) and feel they add something to the end look so I use them when I have the time, swirls or no swirls...
 
embolism said:
KSG is pretty bulletproof on it's own (add 2-3 layers, waiting 8-12 hours in between each) so adding polycharger may not be worth it in the long run. Klasse is called a sealant glaze but it is a sealant. Companies use confusing terminology sometimes that makes you think a product is something it is not. Wolfgang finishing glaze is another weird one. This one is actually a polish. It's kinda like the English language -- lots of exceptions that you just have to know or learn with time...

Pure glazes are oils and fillers that hide swirls. Sometimes if you don't have time to polish, or want to nourish single stage paints, you can use these but they don't last that long. Purists though, would rather get rid of the swirls by polishing. That is why the pro detailer told you he doesn't use them. He'd rather make the paint perfect than disguise it with fillers.

I personally like glazes (they have hybrid ones now too with better durability) and feel they add something to the end look so I use them when I have the time, swirls or no swirls...
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well it is very clear that klasse has more duribility compared to DGPS, can i top up klasse with a coat of DGPS after 12 hours followed by Fuzzion wax and meguair's ultimate QD.

is it okay to wash the car after 12 hours after applying Klasse with just plain water to top it up with DGPS in case the car get dusty just to give the depth DGPS has to offer.
 
zas said:
well it is very clear that klasse has more duribility compared to DGPS, can i top up klasse with a coat of DGPS after 12 hours followed by Fuzzion wax and meguair's ultimate QD.

is it okay to wash the car after 12 hours after applying Klasse with just plain water to top it up with DGPS in case the car get dusty just to give the depth DGPS has to offer.
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I like to keep things simple, sealant on freshly polished paint or following a paint cleaner, then either layer with same and/or top with a wax.

I don't think you need 2 different sealants, then fuzion. I'd go with klasse then fuzion or WGDGPS then fuzion.

no need to wash again after the sealant cure, just do a quick detail then top
 
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