CarPro Essence with non-CarPro coating
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Setec Astronomy
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Great question!
7.3powerstroke
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Exactly what I want to know. I emailed Corey@ Carpro and he didnt know if it would work with Gloss Coat or not. Chris Thomas, what do you think?
Sizzle Chest
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I've used it with a non-CarPro coating and so far so good. It's only been a few weeks, but I plan on keeping an eye on it to test it out. I feel that it will be just fine...
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I'm thinking about testing it with another coating as well. I've actually got three different coatings I can try it with. Can you let me know what coating you used so we aren't testing the same one?
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zmcgovern45
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I am currently testing Essence with non-carpro coatings as well.
I have the new 22ple High Performance Coating on my hood which was coated with Essence prior to applying the coating. So far, so good. Will monitor throughout the midwest winter.
I have been experimenting with various coatings on my personal cars without any IPA/Eraser wipe down over the course of the last year or so, and I will be perfectly honest in that all of the coatings performed excellent. There was no distinguishable difference between the panels that were wiped down with IPA/Eraser and the panels that were not after several months.
I assume it has to do with the fact that when polishing, I am only using a tiny amount of M205 or reflect on my pad and am working it until the product is nearly invisible. It's been an interesting experiment, I wish I had some oily products like Menzerna SF4500 to try. My hunch would be that a product like that would be much more likely to interfere with the coating.
... but back to the topic at hand. I had asked Avi about the compatibility of Essence with other coatings, and his response was similar to Corey's in that they did no know because they had not tested it, but he assumed it would likely be OK because of the fact that when you're using Essence with a machine (not by hand), the friction and heat generated during the polishing process causes the solvents to evaporate or disappear or whatever, meaning there is very little residue left on the surface afterwards. The majority of that is then wiped away with your towel.
I have the new 22ple High Performance Coating on my hood which was coated with Essence prior to applying the coating. So far, so good. Will monitor throughout the midwest winter.
I have been experimenting with various coatings on my personal cars without any IPA/Eraser wipe down over the course of the last year or so, and I will be perfectly honest in that all of the coatings performed excellent. There was no distinguishable difference between the panels that were wiped down with IPA/Eraser and the panels that were not after several months.
I assume it has to do with the fact that when polishing, I am only using a tiny amount of M205 or reflect on my pad and am working it until the product is nearly invisible. It's been an interesting experiment, I wish I had some oily products like Menzerna SF4500 to try. My hunch would be that a product like that would be much more likely to interfere with the coating.
... but back to the topic at hand. I had asked Avi about the compatibility of Essence with other coatings, and his response was similar to Corey's in that they did no know because they had not tested it, but he assumed it would likely be OK because of the fact that when you're using Essence with a machine (not by hand), the friction and heat generated during the polishing process causes the solvents to evaporate or disappear or whatever, meaning there is very little residue left on the surface afterwards. The majority of that is then wiped away with your towel.
Setec Astronomy
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That is pretty interesting. Certainly food for thought regarding accepted dogma, the Optimum procedures which say if you use their polishes you don't need any prep (their new prep product not withstanding), etc.
Of course the whole wax-over-sealant not sealant-over-wax argument is one that has become blurred and muted in recent years because of the recognition of most "waxes" having "sealant" content, and many sealant prep polishes having "glaze" properties.
Wouldn't it be funny if most of this prep dogma came out of the marketing departments rather than the chemistry lab. I would love to hear our friend PiPUK's comments on this but he doesn't seem to post here anymore.
Setec Astronomy
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Well, as I understand it, what Essence leaves is basically a coating, so depending, you should be able to go over that with another coating, right?
I can't even keep track any more of the "recoat" processes for coatings, what we've been told has changed so many times (which may be because the products have changed, as well as the mfr's knowledge of the product increasing over time). I know when the original Opti-Coat (pro) came out, and I think also for 2.0 which was similar, you were supposed to be able to recoat during the curing time, but not after full cure (which could take weeks). I think Gloss-Coat you are supposed to be able to recoat any time. Not sure about the CQuartz products.
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I have used it with both Gyeon and Kamakaze coatings, I saw no difference in how they behaved in application or looks. The cars I did I see every 6 months so we can keep an eye on them. Now, a friend who was at SEMA was told at the booth any coating was fine, so I guess we will see?
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good question posed, I would also be interested in finding out about using WG Uber ceramic after essence.
My gut is telling me that the "coating" it leaves behind will not be the optimal curing surface and just not the best combination of products. But I'll watch this thread with interest!
My gut is telling me that the "coating" it leaves behind will not be the optimal curing surface and just not the best combination of products. But I'll watch this thread with interest!
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This is answered on the CarPro forum. Ill parrot whats been said. Essence alone can provide protection but does not give a high contact angle. This is why its recomended to top it with Reload. The claim for this protection is up to 12 months.
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I hope to test this myself soon, at least in the gloss department. I intend on using Essence to freshen up the shine on my White Camaro SS and top it with the WG Uber coating. I wont be able to test durability really as the car sits under a cover under a car port so its not exposed to the elements. But I will see how it does in the shine department.
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Blackfire, 22ple. Thought about EXO but I don't think I'm going to do that one.
I used the Essence today. Great product. I used it with the gloss pad. The paint was in good shape, really amped up the gloss and the clarity was fantastic.
DaveT435
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I can send you a few ounces of 4500 if you want.
Did you use it with VX pro or Pro2 or the VSX? I've got the Pro 1 and 2.
It should work at the end of the day they all contain the same silica Quartz .