change of heart on Zymol?

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With all these recent threads on cars being detailed with Zymol. (no-one shall be nammed)
has anyones opions changed on Zymol.
Have seeing what it can do made you re-evaluate the valitity of the wax?

Please do not turn this into a zymol bash, do not just say sovergien is the end all be all. Thats not the point of this thread and im sick of people doing that. Its just plain rude.

If it does happen mods please shut it down, it is in no way my intention. This is mento be an intelegent discussiong on Zymol with the new info we have all seen.

Im saddened I have to write such a blurb but thats what it has come to.
 
:P i still feel pretty neutral about Zymol. However my views of Paul Dalton have changed a bit.
 
CalgaryDetail said:
With all these recent threads on cars being detailed with Zymol. (no-one shall be nammed)
has anyones opions changed on Zymol.
Have seeing what it can do made you re-evaluate the valitity of the wax?

Please do not turn this into a zymol bash, do not just say sovergien is the end all be all. Thats not the point of this thread and im sick of people doing that. Its just plain rude.

If it does happen mods please shut it down, it is in no way my intention. This is mento be an intelegent discussiong on Zymol with the new info we have all seen.

Im saddened I have to write such a blurb but thats what it has come to.
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Zymol products are very nice, but are way too overpriced. You will get same quality results with Pinnacle products for much less money.
 
has (is) autogeek considering carrying Zymol products? They have some decent offerings besides the estate glazes they are famous for, ya know! :)
 
supercharged said:
Zymol products are very nice, but are way too overpriced. You will get same quality results with Pinnacle products for much less money.
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:iagree: I believe supercharge sums it up right here!
 
My opinion has not changed. I find it curious that you can buy them from $10-7,800 approx. To me that is one heck of a price differential. I belive if you are charging $5,000-7,000 for a detail, your customers expect the estate type waxes and I belive they make sense to purchase especially with free refill. I belive that Zymol is catering too the whole spectrem of detailers. Pinnicle is more price consistant from $40-80 for paste wax. One thing intrigues me about Zymol is that they offer a spectrem of waxes depending on vehicle color an type. Seems that everyone on AG forum has a personal preference on wax depending on the color of the vehicle an what body panel.

I know it is a good product otherwise they would have went out of business long ago. I still would have to think long an hard to spend over $100 for any wax
 
For what I do, for now, Pinnacle's products are excellent for the money. I can see though, when the time and customers call, the validity for carrying and using such a high-end product.

It's all sorta like cars. A 98 Civic will get you from A to B and get you 40 mpg but why do I detail so many 50k+ 12 mpg H2's?

It comes down to want versus need.
 
Please lets not turn this thread into what's better and why should it cost this much. This thread has a good point and meaning. Like I've said before, do you think Paul looks down on any of us for using a 20.00 wax. Nope. Do you think he even cares? Nope. So let's be adults about this and let this post do what the poster wants it too. He even begged us in the beginning not to let this turn into something other than his intentions.

On the UK site, I have not once seen a member say anything about the products used. They simply comment on the work. That is where true detailing is. Let's keep it that way here!
 
Hasn't changed.. I've owned some of their waxes for close to 6 months now. The median of products above $200, isn't worth it IMO, until you go back to the Zymol Royale for $1,800, which I have considered and reconsidered many times.

After our move, and I complete college, and save up a few backs, I'm moving back down to Miami and will detail full time with exotics. This wax will come in handy, I must say. :)
 
For those of you that are saying that is costs too much, have you actually tried it??? If you haven't, you have no idea if it is actually worth the price. Calgary mentioned nothing about price, but if your opinions have changed about Zymol. I still find it puzzling how Zymol can have so many different waxes at different price levels but with the recent threads I will say that it looks extremely well...
 
nick19 said:
Hasn't changed.. I've owned some of their waxes for close to 6 months now. The median of products above $200, isn't worth it IMO, until you go back to the Zymol Royale for $1,800, which I have considered and reconsidered many times.
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I think you'll have to save a little longer than you expected because Royale costs almost $8K. Vintage is $1800. Both waxes though come with lifetime free refills. On a side note . . . I would love to find a Zymol detailer who is retiring and then buy their Royale container to get the refills.

koibybrian said:
My opinion has not changed. I find it curious that you can buy them from $10-7,800 approx. To me that is one heck of a price differential.
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You have to remember they are running a business. It's hard to make a profit selling low volume, high priced items. So, you supplement that income by selling a high volume product as well. Pinnacle costs a lot and sells probably at lower volumes, but PBMA also owns DP and Wolfgang which are at lower price points.
 
MikeyC said:
I think you'll have to save a little longer than you expected because Royale costs almost $8K. Vintage is $1800. Both waxes though come with lifetime free refills. On a side note . . . I would love to find a Zymol detailer who is retiring and then buy their Royale container to get the refills.



You have to remember they are running a business. It's hard to make a profit selling low volume, high priced items. So, you supplement that income by selling a high volume product as well. Pinnacle costs a lot and sells probably at lower volumes, but PBMA also owns DP and Wolfgang which are at lower price points.
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Yeah, Mikey, I meant Vintage... oops. :D
 
To be honest, my curiosity has been peaked by seeing the details that have been finished with the high $$ zymol and if I had the money I would try it. Hope this is on track with what the thread was asking.
 
I think its a shame when someone comes to a board to ask about another product line (one not sold here) and then trys to block the comparisions that are obvious and forthcoming.

I have used the Zymol line, likely more in depth than anyone on this board. (up thru Destiny) Over that time I have found considerable benefits in cost, time, and look with other lines. Pinnacle Souveran was designed by Terri and Max to "one up" Destiny at a lower price point, which shows that it was/is the bar at that time. You dont really think it costs anywhere near what Zymol offers at MSRP for each of the waxes, do you ??

What I can also tell you is that in past businesses of Max, he once carried the line and it was an extremely slow seller and had a very dedicated client base. (high wealth, high end cars) No scientific data was ever done to see if they expected a wax equivelant to the price of their ride or if they truly even compared other lower priced offerings.

Do I respect the line, yes. Do I want to try their newer offerings, yes. Currently do I find more value and looks in lower priced lines like Pinnacle, yes. Why ?? Because I enjoy all products and the hobby of detailing. Others are knocking on the doors of Souveran paste on price and looks, so lets all hope they are not sitting back and failing to move forward like Zymol and others. As you have noted in past, other waxes like Victoria, and Swissol are also being noted for looks and outcome.

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On a seperate note, hate offering another line, but check out CG's Petes Wax 53 for a concoction that is extremely similar to a high end Zymol Glaz offering, I got mine ordered.
 
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This is a very interesting topic and to be honest it just makes me wonder when a high end detailer such as Paul is using Zymol....I'm sure he has some Souveran and Pinnacle somewhere in his arsenal hehehehe.

I don't know anything abut Zymol but it's reputation and now I find my self re-searching Zymol and very eager to try it and see it for my self. Because for someone to say that Zymol is better then Souveran Paste well I just remember my first time using Souveran and I swear my jaw dropped to the flor and to say that Zymol produces better results then Souveran well...I just have to se it for my self to beleave it lol.....heck I'll use any excuse now to buy waxes and polish material hahahaha.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
I think its a shame when someone comes to a board to ask about another product line (one not sold here) and then trys to block the comparisions that are obvious and forthcoming.

I have used the Zymol line, likely more in depth than anyone on this board. (up thru Destiny) Over that time I have found considerable benefits in cost, time, and look with other lines. Pinnacle Souveran was designed by Terri and Max to "one up" Destiny at a lower price point, which shows that it was/is the bar at that time. You dont really think it costs anywhere near what Zymol offers at MSRP for each of the waxes, do you ??

What I can also tell you is that in past businesses of Max, he once carried the line and it was an extremely slow seller and had a very dedicated client base. (high wealth, high end cars) No scientific data was ever done to see if they expected a wax equivelant to the price of their ride or if they truly even compared other lower priced offerings.

Do I respect the line, yes. Do I want to try their newer offerings, yes. Currently do I find more value and looks in lower priced lines like Pinnacle, yes. Why ?? Because I enjoy all products and the hobby of detailing. Others are knocking on the doors of Souveran paste on price and looks, so lets all hope they are not sitting back and failing to move forward like Zymol and others. As you have noted in past, other waxes like Victoria, and Swissol are also being noted for looks and outcome.

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On a seperate note, hate offering another line, but check out CG's Petes Wax 53 for a concoction that is extremely similar to a high end Zymol Glaz offering, I got mine ordered.
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Yes I am in agreement totally even the Petes. Found it similar also their other offering. Just as the Domestic failed to apreciate their customers, which gave a foothold to the Asian competition, so too will it happen in the wax industry.
Thoes that snooze well they loose and it is hard to regain what they lost! I am sure that all the manufactures realize this an continue to improve their product line. Petes at 53 % carnuba. Competition makes the product better.

Why I only comment on the job the high end detailer do? Easy the should know what works best for their given vehicle, color, make an what they charge. Let us be real a paint thickness gage an a laptop for detailing a car? Do not get me wrong, I might consider one if price was right an making my living on detailing all high end or folks that can afford a 2-4 day detail processs.

Yes The pictures an threads of High end detailing are outstanding. They should be at that type of change!

Would I consider Zymol yes, Swissol yes and have Pinnacle yes and am delighted with for the value. One thing is the market allways decides. Everytime you spend money it is a vote for that product. I allways try to find the best product based on value.

I think after researching killers idea on composition things will be changing in wax, for the good.

Truely everyone here uses outstanding products. I am tickled with Pinnacle for value. I belive the competion is knocking on their door on all accounts (price, value and money) and it is up to Pinnacle to deside as well as all other top end wax suppliers.
 
Kobi,

we have no worry about Japanese waxes taking ahold anytime soon, trust me after using Soft99 Premium their number 1 offering.

Also remember with %'s alot is manufacturing mumbo-jumbo. Almost every wax chemist and manufacturing company has stated that more than 30-40% carnauba means the wax would never warm and spread. So there is no telling if any wax company truly has that much of one product in it. It truly comes down to prepping paint correctly and then finding the LSP that tickles your fancy. I get tickled just knowing that some actually know what LSP is, not the name on the bottle.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
Kobi,

we have no worry about Japanese waxes taking ahold anytime soon, trust me after using Soft99 Premium their number 1 offering.

Also remember with %'s alot is manufacturing mumbo-jumbo. Almost every wax chemist and manufacturing company has stated that more than 30-40% carnauba means the wax would never warm and spread. So there is no telling if any wax company truly has that much of one product in it. It truly comes down to prepping paint correctly and then finding the LSP that tickles your fancy. I get tickled just knowing that some actually know what LSP is, not the name on the bottle.
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LSP = Last Step Product :D
 
I agree with Justin, the posts from the UK he shares with us is more about the technique. I have a feeling that that dude in the UK or Justin could make a car look better with Tuttle wax than I could with Zymol!

It's a bit like photography. I once saw a poloroid picture by Ansel Adams that was far more beautful than any the average joe could do using a Nikon.
 
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