classic car fix up opportunity

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Hi Ag, so here it goes, my neighbor has an old porsche (probably late 1980s to early 90s). He asked if I could detail it as it is getting dirty. On the plus side, its garage kept =). However,I have never worked with single stage paint and I dont know how finicky it would be. I would probably go through all steps to make sure it is definitely clean by the end of my work.

Any tips with working with these garage kept vehicles?
 
Sounds like a good opportunity.

Single stage paint is so fun IMO.

Don't let it worry you and always do a test spot.
 
Sounds like a good opportunity.

Single stage paint is so fun IMO.

Don't let it worry you and always do a test spot.

Im sure this car should have a good layer of paint on it being that its garage kept. I think I might go with ultimate compound to try an restore color while not taking too much paint off. Any ideas what speed and pad choice I should use?
 
Ultimate compound would probably work great. On an orange LC pad. Don't see any reason not to use the highest speed on a DA.

Also, give M205 or a similar polish first and see how it responds.
 
Ultimate compound would probably work great. On an orange LC pad. Don't see any reason not to use the highest speed on a DA.

Also, give M205 or a similar polish first and see how it responds.

good idea, I have the m twins from meguiars, Howeve,I will be using meguiars microfiber pads
 
What color is it and what is the current condition of the paint?

Its white, but not like off white, literally white. Paint looks a bit dull and dirty, it could benefit from a good clay and wash.
 
Ultimate compound would probably work great. On an orange LC pad. Don't see any reason not to use the highest speed on a DA.

Also, give M205 or a similar polish first and see how it responds.


I agree with half of your response


It sounds to me like the OP has not seen the car yet, nor determined the condition of the paint. "Garage Kept" doesn't mean much IMO.

How are you recommending any compound, much less a specifically UC with an orange pad without knowing anything about the vehicle.

I see lots of reasons NOT to use the "highest speed on a DA"


IMO, you should heed the advice frequently given by Mike Phillips and start with the least aggressive method 1st. This paint may be in good condition and soft.

TEST SPOT
TEST SPOT
TEST SPOT
 
Its white, but not like off white, literally white. Paint looks a bit dull and dirty, it could benefit from a good clay and wash.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Looking forward to seeing your test spots and some good 50/50 shots

Have Fun!
 
I agree with half of your response


It sounds to me like the OP has not seen the car yet, nor determined the condition of the paint. "Garage Kept" doesn't mean much IMO.

How are you recommending any compound, much less a specifically UC with an orange pad without knowing anything about the vehicle.

I see lots of reasons NOT to use the "highest speed on a DA"


IMO, you should heed the advice frequently given by Mike Phillips and start with the least aggressive method 1st. This paint may be in good condition and soft.

TEST SPOT
TEST SPOT
TEST SPOT

I am not looking to remove alot of microns of paint of of this thing. Im looking more to improve the color which is why im going to focus on claying. The car is literally 100ft from my house. I have seen the car within a few feet in front of me.
 
Im sure this car should have a good layer of paint on it being that its garage kept. I think I might go with ultimate compound to try an restore color while not taking too much paint off. Any ideas what speed and pad choice I should use?

Bill you should ask the owner if he's the only owner, and if not, how many owners does he know of? Reason being, if he's had it since new then he'll be able to answer the important questions about how many times it's been buffed (if at all) through the years.

Single stage isn't really a problem, but burning through edges *IS*. Big time!!! :eek:
I'd wash it good, do any decon you can, both clay and/or Nanoskin then put a thorough coating of Megs #7 on it and let it sit, the longer the better. If it's cool, (and inside) you can let it sit overnight. ;) Then buff the #7 off, and it'll actually clean the paint, while adding oils, color, and workability to it.

You can use IPA, better yet Eraser to wipe it down afterwards if it's 'too' oily. You'll need to tape EVERYTHING. Get a roll (or 2) of the vinyl tape to do fine body lines, around tight areas, even edges of panels, doors etc.

Pads?
Same thing applies as any other job. Test spot, test spot, test spot, and use the LEAST aggressive combo you can get away with. Just tape off the hood, (or a door panel) and try several combinations. I'll do 1 compound with 2 pads all the time on new paint that I've not worked with before. The only thing that I'd say is not to change the amount of section passes. You can change the speed on the machine, and arm speed, even arm pressure (although I typically don't), but not the amount of passes. FWIW, I'll do test spots with only 4, or 5 MAXIMUM passes. One pad may work, the other may not. Then take another compound, 2 more "spots" and do the same thing. Once you figure out which compound and pad are working, THEN go back and put the extra passes into that spot.

I say that because it's hard to figure out what works and what doesn't when you do 4 passes on one spot and 6 right next to it. (Apples and oranges come to mind.) ;)

Just have to figure out what process is going to start moving you in the direction you want to go. Do keep in mind though with SS paint, that the color plays a HUGE part in how hard or soft it is. Carbon black being the pigment in black (really soft), titanium oxide being the pigment in white (they make sandpaper with it, IE "hard"). ;) From there everything else is pretty much the same.

Just be careful to not go aggressive, and communicate that with the owner before hand. Better to leave some imperfections in 25 year old OEM paint than to burn through it and be forced with a repaint.

And finally.... whilst I'm a big Meguiar's SMAT fan, I would likely go DAT, and they have plenty of products that'd fill the bill, that are not SMAT based. Just make sure to hit it with #7 first. :props: (Then again, Menzerna has plenty of 'oils' that'd be a plus with old paint.) :)
 
Bill you should ask the owner if he's the only owner, and if not, how many owners does he know of? Reason being, if he's had it since new then he'll be able to answer the important questions about how many times it's been buffed (if at all) through the years.

Single stage isn't really a problem, but burning through edges *IS*. Big time!!! :eek:
I'd wash it good, do any decon you can, both clay and/or Nanoskin then put a thorough coating of Megs #7 on it and let it sit, the longer the better. If it's cool, (and inside) you can let it sit overnight. ;) Then buff the #7 off, and it'll actually clean the paint, while adding oils, color, and workability to it.

You can use IPA, better yet Eraser to wipe it down afterwards if it's 'too' oily. You'll need to tape EVERYTHING. Get a roll (or 2) of the vinyl tape to do fine body lines, around tight areas, even edges of panels, doors etc.

Pads?
Same thing applies as any other job. Test spot, test spot, test spot, and use the LEAST aggressive combo you can get away with. Just tape off the hood, (or a door panel) and try several combinations. I'll do 1 compound with 2 pads all the time on new paint that I've not worked with before. The only thing that I'd say is not to change the amount of section passes. You can change the speed on the machine, and arm speed, even arm pressure (although I typically don't), but not the amount of passes. FWIW, I'll do test spots with only 4, or 5 MAXIMUM passes. One pad may work, the other may not. Then take another compound, 2 more "spots" and do the same thing. Once you figure out which compound and pad are working, THEN go back and put the extra passes into that spot.

I say that because it's hard to figure out what works and what doesn't when you do 4 passes on one spot and 6 right next to it. (Apples and oranges come to mind.) ;)

Just have to figure out what process is going to start moving you in the direction you want to go. Do keep in mind though with SS paint, that the color plays a HUGE part in how hard or soft it is. Carbon black being the pigment in black (really soft), titanium oxide being the pigment in white (they make sandpaper with it, IE "hard"). ;) From there everything else is pretty much the same.

Just be careful to not go aggressive, and communicate that with the owner before hand. Better to leave some imperfections in 25 year old OEM paint than to burn through it and be forced with a repaint.

And finally.... whilst I'm a big Meguiar's SMAT fan, I would likely go DAT, and they have plenty of products that'd fill the bill, that are not SMAT based. Just make sure to hit it with #7 first. :props: (Then again, Menzerna has plenty of 'oils' that'd be a plus with old paint.) :)

The owner is the first and only. My issue is the white paint that is most likely single stage. It will probably be very strong ,but I will see how ultimate compound works. If not, I will step up to m205 or even m105
 
The owner is the first and only. My issue is the white paint that is most likely single stage. It will probably be very strong ,but I will see how ultimate compound works. If not, I will step up to m205 or even m105

UC has a lot more cut than M205

Most would suggest that for moderate defects, you should do a test spot with something like M205 on a White Pad.

This would remove less CC and possibly finish out LSP ready; saving you hours.
 
UC has a lot more cut than M205

Most would suggest that for moderate defects, you should do a test spot with something like M205 on a White Pad.

This would remove less CC and possibly finish out LSP ready; saving you hours.

good point. If m205 cannot do it, ill step up to uc. I will do a strip wash, good clay, correction and wax.
 
good point. If m205 cannot do it, ill step up to uc. I will do a strip wash, good clay, correction and wax.

Sounds like your plan is coming together.


If M205 on a White Pad does not remove the defects to your satisfaction, some would suggest that you try M205 on an Orange Pad before going to a Compound.

Opinions vary


Looking forward to the pictures.
 
The owner is the first and only. My issue is the white paint that is most likely single stage. It will probably be very strong ,but I will see how ultimate compound works. If not, I will step up to m205 or even m105

You meant 205 *then* UC, (as I see in the next post). Not a bad place to start. I'd try white pads first, then orange with both products.;)

No matter what... I'd still go over it with #7 first. That old, white, single stage paint isn't going to want to work that easily, especially if you need to get aggressive with it. (IOW's, compounds will want to dry in the paint before they are worked down completely.)

If you have any D300 it's turned into my favorite compound the last year or so. It'll work like crazy, and finish really well too boot. ;) Well, that or D151. Just remember when you're topping D151 that it has a "wax" component built-in so you'll have to do a thorough paint stripping before your LSP or you might end up with bonding issues.

I like the idea that was mentioned of IRON-X with it as well. We didn't have that to clean the paint back then, and white will actually turn to 'off' white with imbedded iron in it.

If you've got any Menzerna 1500 or 2000 they'd be GREAT to work on that paint with! Both will work with more than one cut of pad, doing basically a 1.5 level correction and finish down LSP ready as well.

Sounds like your plan is coming together.


If M205 on a White Pad does not remove the defects to your satisfaction, some would suggest that you try M205 on an Orange Pad before going to a Compound.

Opinions vary


Looking forward to the pictures.

:iagree:
Moving to a more aggressive pad often is the answer over moving to a more aggressive product. (Especially with old and dry paint.)
 
The owner is the first and only. My issue is the white paint that is most likely single stage. It will probably be very strong ,but I will see how ultimate compound works. If not, I will step up to m205 or even m105

You meant 205 *then* UC, (as I see in the next post). Not a bad place to start. I'd try white pads first, then orange with both products.;)

No matter what... I'd still go over it with #7 first. That old, white, single stage paint isn't going to want to work that easily, especially if you need to get aggressive with it. (IOW's, compounds will want to dry in the paint before they are worked down completely.)

If you have any D300 it's turned into my favorite compound the last year or so. It'll work like crazy, and finish really well too boot. ;) Well, that or D151. Just remember when you're topping D151 that it has a "wax" component built-in so you'll have to do a thorough paint stripping before your LSP or you might end up with bonding issues.

I like the idea that was mentioned of IRON-X with it as well. We didn't have that to clean the paint back then, and white will actually turn to 'off' white with imbedded iron in it.

If you've got any Menzerna 1500 or 2000 they'd be GREAT to work on that paint with! Both will work with more than one cut of pad, doing basically a 1.5 level correction and finish down LSP ready as well.

Sounds like your plan is coming together.


If M205 on a White Pad does not remove the defects to your satisfaction, some would suggest that you try M205 on an Orange Pad before going to a Compound.

Opinions vary


Looking forward to the pictures.

:iagree:
Moving to a more aggressive pad often is the answer over moving to a more aggressive product. (Especially with old and dry paint.)
 
Take lots of Before, After and 50/50 pictures.

Looking forward to seeing your results.
 
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