coatings useless or fantastic? what do you think??

[Pureshine]

Coatings are good yes! As long as you maintain the car with proper care and don't abuse it. For what Dr. G said it my last 7 years but if it's not maintained properly it will look like crap. So it will have to be corrected all over again and reapply it again. So it really doesn't matter if it last 7 years or a 100 years. If you driver through the cash wash and gets all swirled up it will have to be corrected again and reapplied again.

 

[Guessless]

IMHO:
This is still the most definitive statement, and description, of what constitutes a: "True Coating" (as their being utilized for vehicles' LSPs.)



On a related note:

I know that this fact has prompted me to ask: Why?!?!

Bob

Aye yai yai Bob, now you tell me....:awman:

But, :idea:

Well, I figure it's kinda like eating ice cream;

if you don't like the first topping then add another one, then another, and another....
Eventually you'll either like the damn ice cream or you'll throw it in a trash bin...

Now some folks just put one topping on, and if they don't like it they throw the whole thing away.

Others put a topping on, and if not liking it take it off and put another one on and on and on....

Yes siree Bob, life is about how you wanna eat your Ice cream...

 

[Guessless]

Coatings are good yes! As long as you maintain the car with proper care and don't abuse it. For what Dr. G said it my last 7 years but if it's not maintained properly it will look like crap. So it will have to be corrected all over again and reapply it again. So it really doesn't matter if it last 7 years or a 100 years. If you driver through the cash wash and gets all swirled up it will have to be corrected again and reapplied again.

Thanks, good & sufficient info.rops:

 

[Auto Concierge]

PS: first your anger does come through your posts, and that s not good. Maybe professional help would benefit you by talking to someone.
We are not performing brain surgery, or save the world- we work on cars. Simple as that. Nothing to it really, you just have to be detail oriented.

Second, you have a guy, not even a detailer who has never used Opti coat bad mouthing it any chance he gets and you are telling me to stop? Are you serious? Stop trying to be the Internet police. It makes you look ridicules. Last I heard, you not on speaking term with the other 2 top detailers in SF. I wonder why.

Thomas,

If I was really angry you would know it, and also as you know in the past if you were standing in front of me there would be no "Bobby" remark because before it passed your lips you would be on the ground tied up like a pretzel.

If you read what I said instead of seeing red, you would know I am attempting to get you to stop the rambling. You dropped a F-Bomb signed on as a 3D affiliate plain and simple……….. whether George was out of line or not you do not cross that line.

So there it is, you know I have the back story and it would behoove you to argue points based upon facts and not product fanboy zeal.

Change course as a suggestion, will you do it probably not but I hope you do as in reality I am voicing a opinion on the subject at hand and trying(So far in vain) to get you just stop the out in left field banter.

In closing……………one of the detailers knows what happened between us and it has been discussed by PM, the other I have not met personally(A benefit to him no doubt) and the first person I mentioned would NOT want what happened between us disclosed……….ask him yourself or if you like come to SEMA next year and you can ask him in person with me standing there because there will be no re-writing the past believe that.

 

[Guessless]

Ok time for me to switch to the other thread:
" What grinds your gears..."
Ta ta everyone.

 

[ScottB]

gentleman ... please move on, or offline ! (obviously more than just thoughts on coatings going on here)

Back to Coatings ------------) Useless or fantastic ???

 

[AutowerxDetailing]

Coatings useless or fantastic?

They are fantastic if you are looking for the most durable protection for your paint.

They are useless if you want to rub on your car every week with a new detailing product.

 

[tdekany]

I am not a coating denier

I have a coating on the roof or my SUV. It.makes sense for me in that application

What is important is actually what you posted in #2:
But hey, no one else is using "MY" money to purchase "THEIR" LSP so it doesn't really matter.

Anything is worth exactly how much someone is willing to pay for it

But the way you act as if anyone who is not using coatings is an idiot, is ridiculous

Also on you point #2 you admit that, "Of course you can come up with many reasons why not to coat a car,...", but then you claim that none of those reasons are "reasonable". That statement makes no sense and is again asserting that anyone whom is not using coatings is unreasonable

#3 I was reading your statements that coated paint eliminates the need for future polishing. Once again, i will ask you to prove this assertion in any way you choose, but please let someone other than you take the after photos

My paint does have swirls. It is black, driven daily and not garaged

#4 A few drops and asking OPT to change the label. Sounds like we agree that making the drops and thickness claims at the same time is unreasonable. It is not "bickering" to disagree in a reasonable manner using prior marketing statements or OPT as the basis

I am not a "dude" or "the dude"

Why do people say things like "Dude, you really need to move on." What place does a statement like that have here. Would you say that to someone in person, I couldn't

I have watched OC2.0 being applied and I have seen it after application. At what point am I allowed by you to have an opinion?

You commented about Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0, have you used it, seen it at 6 weeks and 6 months. If not how, can you comment? If you can coat a panel with a "few drops" of a coating, what makes you say I can't coat an SUV with 1/2 ounce of sealant?

#5 Testing different products on different panels of the same vehicle is common place

Yes, I am indicating to you that the appearance of the painted surface looked better to me prior to application of OC2.0

#6 I only know you as you know me, through this Forum. What I know about you is based on your words here, your website and the included 3D products video. BTW, are they still the largest detail products company in the world as stated in the video on your website?


Please quote any post I have made "bad mouthing" a product. Maybe, I don't understand your definition of the slang, "bad mouthing"?

1 - feel free to contact both David Fermani and Scottwax and ask about their long term results. I figured if I am not part of it it will be more satisfying for you. And while you communicate with Scott, ask him about his father's car as well.

Both of these individuals are very capable detailers and know how to wash and dry a car = swirl free finish. Let me know what they tell you.

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What can you not understand about my logic here? Yes there are reason one can come up with why not to do something that is beneficial. In this case a superior protection for your paint. That doesn't mean that those reasons against it are logical.

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Not sure what makes you feel like an idiot, I never ones said so or suggested. IN MY OPINION (just like you, I have one as well) everyone should use a coating for obvious reasons. That is a sensible suggestion, not sure why some of you get so worked up over that statement.

You can walk in the rain and hold an umbrella over your head, or not. It is your choice, but using one makes more sense.

Here is another one. When buying a new car and you are the type who notices every little things, I will suggest that you DO NOT purchase black. If you don't care, it doesn't matter, buy what you like.

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Swirls - let me say it hopefully for the last time. I have never said and nobody else has, that if you coat your car you automatically will retain a swirl free finish. IF you know/learn how to properly wash wipe and dry your car's paint, you can maintain a swirl free finish with a hard coating like Opti Coat. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE CAR WASHES. It means that you and only you touch your paint, the way you were thought, using the right products, etc... After all, the idea behind sites like AUTOPIA and all that followed was to master our craft/hobby for a swirl free finish. If it was possible without coatings, why is it so hard for you to grasp that idea?

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Wolfgang - you are again, putting words in my mouth. You can use ANY traditional sealant, or wax. Every time you wash your car, every time it rains on it, the sun etc... the LSP is effected in a negative way - eats away the LSP. So unless the car sits in a garage, that wax is going to suffer, not to mention if your car is dark/black.

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OC 2.0 worsening the finish. As a professional detailer, I have tried a few LSP products over the last 12 years. Not once, no matter how cheap the wax/sealant or coating, have I ever come across one that made the finish worse. I have personally used more than a few times OC 2.0 and it always improved the look. Unless you can point me to another person who feels the same as you, I have never read that. Do you think the beta testers for OC 2.0 were blind?

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Please quote any post I have made "bad mouthing" a product.

Here you go!

Yes, I am indicating to you that the appearance of the painted surface looked better to me prior to application of OC2.0

Actually, it isn't bad mouthing, this statement is absurd. 2.0 used to be full of polymers, how would it dull the look? I am pretty sure that you have better eyes than I but even I saw an improvement, and pretty sure that I have seen OC 2.0 in action more times than yourself. Not once was I sorry.

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We agree that the label should be reworded, yet you claim that somehow you know that I use only a few drops per panel. I use 10cc per sedans and 15cc on suvs.

Also where did I say anything about the amount of product you use? Hello?

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[tdekany]

Thomas,

If I was really angry you would know it, and also as you know in the past if you were standing in front of me there would be no "Bobby" remark because before it passed your lips you would be on the ground tied up like a pretzel.

If you read what I said instead of seeing red, you would know I am attempting to get you to stop the rambling. You dropped a F-Bomb signed on as a 3D affiliate plain and simple……….. whether George was out of line or not you do not cross that line.

So there it is, you know I have the back story and it would behoove you to argue points based upon facts and not product fanboy zeal.

Change course as a suggestion, will you do it probably not but I hope you do as in reality I am voicing a opinion on the subject at hand and trying(So far in vain) to get you just stop the out in left field banter.

In closing……………one of the detailers knows what happened between us and it has been discussed by PM, the other I have not met personally(A benefit to him no doubt) and the first person I mentioned would NOT want what happened between us disclosed……….ask him yourself or if you like come to SEMA next year and you can ask him in person with me standing there because there will be no re-writing the past believe that.

Bobby - I love that as a follower of Jesus Christ you threaten people with violence. You should be ashamed of yourself. First, I am not afraid of you one bit, (are you kidding me?) Go join the UFC, if you have so much pent up anger. rops:

 

[tdekany]

Okey doke,
so coatings r good? Or Bad?
Sorry don't wanna interrupt you guys back & forting, it's just that I just bought three of them and wanna know if I shot myself in the foot or...

Make sure to prep the paint accordingly and you will see why the craze about these coatings. Which ones did you get?

 

[allenk4]

Thomas,

You make a statement regarding a coated car not ever needing polishing then defer to other Detailers to back up your claim. That is strange to me as I would certainly want to prove my own statements to be true

You repeatedly accuse me of "bad mouthing" OPT, only to backpedal in your last post and say, "Actually, it isn't bad mouthing,". But then you immediately call my personal opinion "absurd" and equivocate that my personal opinion means I am not smart enough to use an umbrella in the rain

"Also where did I say anything about the amount of product you use?

I am not clear exactly what you are saying here, but I will guess that it has to do with the 1/2oz of sealant I use do an SUV. This was a response to your assertion that I could not get 8 years of protection from 16oz of sealant

Some people are better at talking than listening

I have tried to read each of your posts thoroughly and respond to each question you have asked. Why do you not have the same courtesy?

It makes me smile that you closed your post with "Hello?"...my Niece does that too; she is nine years old. I bet it is really cute when you say it too. Do you put your hands on your hips and swing your pony tail like she does, you say it??

 

[tdekany]

Well, no matter what I say you find something to go against it. So If I use one of the cars I used I am sure you would find something not being ok with it. This way you do have to face the facts.

However, this isn't the first time you do this, so I do not really care what your own opinion is of a product that you have never tried, or wanting to try. But, when you spread miss info, I will say something.

You do not read well. No detailing product will last 8 years. Do you not know that?

So what is it that I have not answered?

Thomas,

You make a statement regarding a coated car not ever needing polishing then defer to other Detailers to back up your claim. That is strange to me as I would certainly want to prove my own statements to be true

You repeatedly accuse me of "bad mouthing" OPT, only to backpedal in your last post and say, "Actually, it isn't bad mouthing,". But then you immediately call my personal opinion "absurd" and equivocate that my personal opinion means I am not smart enough to use an umbrella in the rain

"Also where did I say anything about the amount of product you use?

I am not clear exactly what you are saying here, but I will guess that it has to do with the 1/2oz of sealant I use do an SUV. This was a response to your assertion that I could not get 8 years of protection from 16oz of sealant

Some people are better at talking than listening

I have tried to read each of your posts thoroughly and respond to each question you have asked. Why do you not have the same courtesy?

It makes me smile that you closed your post with "Hello?"...my Niece does that too; she is nine years old. I bet it is really cute when you say it too. Do you put your hands on your hips and swing you pony tail she you say it??

 

[SYMAWD]

However, this isn't the first time you do this, so I do not really care what your own opinion is of a product that you have never tried, or wanting to try. But, when you spread miss info, I will say something.

You do not read well. No detailing product will last 8 years. Do you not know that?

Perhaps I missed it. What miss info did Kyle spread?

When did he claim a product will last 8 years? He said a 16oz bottle of sealant would if each 1/2oz application lasted 6 months. I think shelf life could be an issue though.

If no detailing product lasts 8 years, why did OPT used to warranty OC Pro for longer than 8 years (a lifetime IIRC)?

 

[allenk4]

Well, no matter what I say you find something to go against it. So If I use one of the cars I used I am sure you would find something not being ok with it. This way you do have to face the facts.

However, this isn't the first time you do this, so I do not really care what your own opinion is of a product that you have never tried, or wanting to try. But, when you spread miss info, I will say something.

You do not read well. No detailing product will last 8 years. Do you not know that?

So what is it that I have not answered?

Read this very slowly and put your finger on the screen to follow along:

16oz of sealant in the bottle
1/2oz used per application

32 applications per bottle

Each application lasts 6 months

32 x 6 = 192 months of protection in the bottle

192/12 = 16 years of protection in the bottle


If you only get half the longevity I have seen, that is 8 years



Wait...I thought you said OCP is "Permanent" that is longer than 8 years?

 

[tdekany]

Slow down and read this: NO PRODUCT HAS 8 YEARS OF SHELF LIFE. It will expire. That is what I meant.

Read this very slowly and put your finger on the screen to follow along:

16oz of sealant in the bottle
1/2oz used per application

32 applications per bottle

Each application lasts 6 months

32 x 6 = 192 months of protection in the bottle

192/12 = 16 years of protection in the bottle


If you only get half the longevity I have seen, that is 8 years



Wait...I thought you said OCP is "Permanent" that is longer than 8 years?

 

[allenk4]

Slow down and read this: NO PRODUCT HAS 8 YEARS OF SHELF LIFE. It will expire. That is what I meant.

You are a slippery little guy aren't ya

I anticipated your spin and worded my post carefully:

"192/12 = 16 years of protection in the bottle"

You ASSUMED that all of the product was going to be used on one vehicle. Why would you make such a foolish ASSUMPTION?

 

[allenk4]

So what is it that I have not answered?

For the sake of brevity, I will paraphrase the questions you have not replied to:

Post #148
What is the Thomas Dekany definition of a "Detailer"?

Post #154
At what point am I allowed to have an opinion on the look and feel of OC2.0?

Post #154
Have you personally used Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0?

Post #154
Would you say "Dude, you need to move on" to someone in person?

Post #154
Is 3D the largest detail products supplier in the World?

Post #146
How thick so you think the coating is on the mini-van?


And although it wasn't in the form of a question, I asked you to show proof that a coated vehicle does not need to be polished.

 

[tdekany]

You are a slippery little guy aren't ya

I anticipated your spin and worded my post carefully:

"192/12 = 16 years of protection in the bottle"

You ASSUMED that all of the product was going to be used on one vehicle. Why would you make such a foolish ASSUMPTION?

F

or $40 I can buy 16oz of Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant which is enough to protect my full-sized SUV for 8 years.

Do you have multiple personality disorder?

 

[SYMAWD]

F

Do you have multiple personality disorder?

He said it's enough to do it, not that he actually does do it.

Is this ever going to stop?

You love OC, Kyle doesn't want to try it because he feels the claims are not true and it seems no one can prove them either.

 

[Auto Concierge]

Bobby - I love that as a follower of Jesus Christ you threaten people with violence. You should be ashamed of yourself. First, I am not afraid of you one bit, (are you kidding me?) Go join the UFC, if you have so much pent up anger. rops:

Last reply Thomas, I did not threaten you I said "IN THE PAST" I would handle that.

Please just for once read and understand what is written and not redefine what was posted. As for not being afraid Thomas if you were not you would have said "Bring it" let's be clear I was a fighter you are not and never were.

When you disrespect someone's name it is possible you will have to back up the bravado clearly intended for everyone reading the thread...............you and I alone is a way different story.

It was a matter of time before the you are a Christian hypocrite card was pulled, when all the posts I made had to do with dishonest conduct on many fronts and that is what I have a problem with you attempted to spin things away from that.

Coatings work when all the T's are crossed and I's dotted, I utilize the products from different sources as needed so that's it Thomas I will not respond anymore.