collinite 845. gone in 2 weeks

[pman626]

If you had to measure wax by the teaspoon, how much 845 wax should be used on the roof of the average family sedan?


I washed the roof of my sedan with palmolive.
applied 845 on 3/13.

Hasn't been washed since 3/13.
Now it doesn't bead up.

Car is parked outside 24/7. Paint is charcoal color.

I put it on thin. hazed. wiped off.

or is the sun just too much for it?

 

[Ebg18t]

My guess is the surface is dirty and not allowing the beading to occur. Wash and decontaminate it, see if it beads.

 

[J Cole]

I washed the roof of my sedan with palmolive.

Collonite can be used very sparingly.

However - I believe that dish soaps such as palmolive leave a film on top of the paint that would have prevented the Collonite from actually making contact with the paint.

Plus it the roof might just be dirty in which case it won't bead even with Collonite, as Ebg18t said.

 

[Dan K]

My guess is the surface is dirty and not allowing the beading to occur. Wash and decontaminate it, see if it beads.

I agree. It doesn't matter what wax/sealant/coating is on a surface; if it gets contaminated enough it will not bead. There is no way that 845 should be gone in a few weeks.

On another note, I cannot understand why so many people still wash with Dawn, Palmolive, etc. when there are so many car soaps available. No offense meant, but I just don't see the point, and often wonder if that doesn't cause some of the issues that people have with their lsp.

 

[SonOfOC]

Was it parked under a tree and did it rain?

 

[Meticulous-Detail]

If you had to measure wax by the teaspoon, how much 845 wax should be used on the roof of the average family sedan?


I washed the roof of my sedan with palmolive.
applied 845 on 3/13.

Hasn't been washed since 3/13.
Now it doesn't bead up.

Car is parked outside 24/7. Paint is charcoal color.

I put it on thin. hazed. wiped off.

or is the sun just too much for it?

Dawn and palmolive can leave a film behind that could possibly affect the bonding of 845. Did you clay? If you didn't that could also affect bonding. How long did you let it set up before wiping it off? Also, like others have said dirt will also affect water beading.

 

[RTexasF]

The roof is filthy. Wash it and watch the beading as you rinse it.

 

[rlmccarty2000]

Turtle Wax and Palmolive work well together if mixed with one ounce of Armor All. Just kidding.

 

[FUNX650]

If you had to measure wax by the teaspoon, how much 845 wax should be used on the roof of the average family sedan?

Trying to put measuring by the teaspoon in perspective:

1. A teaspoon, in this case, will be the kitchen measuring teaspoon utensil...Not the teaspoon eating utensil.

2. Some people say that 10cc of certain liquid car-care products are enough to cover an entire sedan, its wheels (inner and outer barrels), and even its glass/P-Carb areas!

3. 10cc equals 1/3 (one-third) of an ounce.

4. 1/3oz (0.333oz) equals two kitchen measuring teaspoonsful.
Then: 1/6oz (0.1666oz) equals one kitchen measuring teaspoonful.

5. The total area of your sedan's roof is equal to approximately 12 percent of the total sedan areas
mentioned in point #2. above.

6. If ~12 percent of 10cc equals........~1.2cc
And if: ~12 percent of 0.333oz equals...~0.034oz

7. Then (if the math is pretty close)...
it should take only around:

1/5 (one fifth---0.20) of one teaspoon of liquid #845
to Wax your sedan's roof.

I washed the roof of my sedan with palmolive.
applied 845 on 3/13.

Hasn't been washed since 3/13.
Now it doesn't bead up.

Car is parked outside 24/7.

It needs washed.
Wash it with a car-wash shampoo.

or is the sun just too much for it?

The Sun's UV-rays can wreak havoc on Waxes.
In two weeks? #845 should not have been
completely obliterated, IMO.

Again:
Wash the vehicle with car-wash shampoos.


Bob

 

[zerix]

Pollen

 

[pman626]

Pollen

Bingo.


Thanks everyone.
I didn't know dirt would prevent beading.

a few months ago, my car was kinda dirty, it rained, and the rain beaded, so I thought it was always supposed to bead.

Today, my car was covered in tree pollen, and I just wanted to rinse it all off without washing, and use leaf blower to dry.

That's when I noticed the water wasn't beading.

 

[ski2]

Bob--I bet you make a mean triple layer chocolate cake!!!!

 

[DBAILEY]

Bingo.


I didn't know dirt would prevent beading.

a few months ago, my car was kinda dirty, it rained, and the rain beaded, so I thought it was always supposed to bead.

The dirt breaks up the surface tension of the water bead. It gives the water stuff to hold onto and keeps the nice uniform beads from forming and rolling off the panel.

Obviously the dirtier the panel the more it will hinder the beading.

 

[Klasse Act]

My guess is the surface is dirty and not allowing the beading to occur. Wash and decontaminate it, see if it beads.

I agree but no need to decontaminate in that short of a time. Dirt always takes away from beading, I mean dirt is made to grow things in, not make water bead, LOL.

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[HateSwirls]

I've never had issues with the 845 lasting, in fact it has gone through the winter on some of my customers cars.

If you really want your last step to hold up try the Duragloss 601 Bonding Agent.
You apply it to the finish but don't remove it, instead, just apply your lsp (Collinite 845) right over it.

The 601 also cleans the clear coat to make sure it's free of any oils.

Great stuff.

 

[glfnaz]

I've never had issues with the 845 lasting, in fact it has gone through the winter on some of my customers cars.

If you really want your last step to hold up try the Duragloss 601 Bonding Agent.
You apply it to the finish but don't remove it, instead, just apply your lsp (Collinite 845) right over it.

The 601 also cleans the clear coat to make sure it's free of any oils.

Great stuff.

I though DG 601 only worked with DG 105, 111, and 101.
You can use it with Collinite??

 

[Ebg18t]

I agree but no need to decontaminate in that short of a time. Dirt always takes away from beading, I mean dirt is made to grow things in, not make water bead, LOL.

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Lol. I thru decontaminate out there so he would know to really wash it versus just rinse it. If he gives it a proper wash it should come back. Wonder if he has any ferns or moss growing on the car?

 

[Klasse Act]

A wash will always do the trick to bring back the heading

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[duffthebluff]

Something to also note, in the past I was experimenting with combination of products with Collinite 845. The worst combination I did was:

1. Wash and clay
2. Used Meguiar's Swirl-x
3. Used Meguiar's Step 2 Deep Crystal Polish
4. Topped with Collinite 845 as LSP

With this combo, my collinite only lasted around 1 or less than 2 weeks and poof! Beading gone. I'm pretty sure its the Deep Crystal that did not let the Collinite bond with the paint.

 

[NightForce]

Something to also note, in the past I was experimenting with combination of products with Collinite 845. The worst combination I did was:

1. Wash and clay
2. Used Meguiar's Swirl-x
3. Used Meguiar's Step 2 Deep Crystal Polish
4. Topped with Collinite 845 as LSP

With this combo, my collinite only lasted around 1 or less than 2 weeks and poof! Beading gone. I'm pretty sure its the Deep Crystal that did not let the Collinite bond with the paint.

Your process appears to be sound but the actual reason why it didn't last is a mystery but then again, all waxes do not bond, they merely sit on the surface...

A few years ago, I had a Toyota Camry XLE that regardless of the prep, the beading would not last more than a couple of weeks. I tried everything and the only product which would last was one of the newer coatings...