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Collinite 845 is as good or better than most of these fancy packaged wax's that are over priced:buffing:
Collinite #845: The Definitive How-To Guide For This Legendary Wax
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Collinite 845 is as good or better than most of these fancy packaged wax's that are over priced:buffing:
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35 years ago, I ignored the recommendations of an old guy and didn't try Collinite because it looked like a dated product even then. 30 years later I joined up here, only to find out I was dead wrong. I don't even want to think about all the extra wax jobs I did over those 30 years 'cause nothing else I was using had durability and longevity even close to Collinite. If you're pleased with what you're using, but want to experiment a bit at the cost of a bit more effort, get some 915. You won't regret it.
One of my co-workers at the Chevy dealer, who has a new Black Malibu is an avowed 845 user since I gave him a sample to try a couple years ago. Yesterday, I gave him some sample jars of 476 and 915. He came in early this morning, washed his car and did half the hood with each. Under the bright punishing lights of our service department, the difference was like day and night. He thanked me profusely and gave me back the 476.
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So just to be clear, he liked the #915 better?
BillyJack
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Yes. I've spread a bit of all three Colli waxes over the past few years and the difference was never as profound as it was on a black car under those lights.
Bill
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#915 is not only a great looking wax but has great durability as well, win win!
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How would you describe the difference? I've got 845 on a black pearl GTI right now and I really like the way it looks.
I'm not sure I want to go back to a past wax since I really like how easy 845 is to apply by machine, but it's testimonials yours that make it tempting. Too bad I now have a decade-long supply in that 16oz 845 bottle!
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I know it was thought for many years, that a paste wax would usually be more durable, and outlast a liquid wax. Perhaps the inherit quality of quite a few that could be quite hard to remove, and thus people thought that if it was hard to buff to a shine, and rub off, then it "must last longer".
Through the years there's been of course "hiccups", that a liquid came along that had very decent durability, and would outperform some pastes.
I would say that Collinite #845 IW is one of those that breaks that mold, it has very good durability, and on the same hand won't work you to death. As I understand though, #845 is a hybrid, containing both natural, and synthetic Polymer Sealants.
As for any of the Collinite Pastes, they too may also include synthetics? I've never seen claim either way?
I'm going by an old, somewhat fuzzy memory, but I believe #915 was reputed to have the highest concentration of Carnauba, yet is not purported to be their longest lasting product. That honor I believe goes to #476 Super Doublecoat Wax. #915 might "look" better, but is said to be not as durable as #476.
So then, why would #476 be the longest lasting product they make?
Again, I might assume a fortification of another ingredient, perhaps synthetic?
I've used them all for many years on many vehicles. In any instance you truly cannot go wrong with any of the Collinite products.
The things I have learned about Collinite, is not only their initial wow factor, that you know pretty much immediately that these are products that stand apart in many ways, but down the road, and after time, and washings pass, they all hold up extremely well, they continue to keep a finish looking great, and this IMO equates to less work over time maintaining a vehicle.
I cannot say the same about many other pastes, and liquid wax-sealant products.
Mark
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The car is a black 2013 Malibu, about 8 months old. Since new, it has been clayed once, cleaned with DG501 and maintained with 845. It has never been professionally polished. For want of a better term, the 915 areas were "blacker", with a deeper gloss than either the 845 or 476 panels and much less of the slight gray haze you'd see on a black car. We haven't had any sunny days since then, so I haven't had the chance to inspect it in the sun.
As I said, I've used 915 on other colors and haven't seen as much difference, though 915 will always beat 845 or 476 for gloss IMO. II think the 915 has more "glaze" properties than the other Colli waxes, hiding a lot of the very minor defects that a black DD accumulates.
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Mark: Thanks for the input. I wasn't too worried about the durability based on reviews here, but I am a little lazy and enjoy simply dripping a few drops of 845 on a pad and going to work vs the effort it takes to get 915 out of the can an on a pad. I use a DA polisher.
Bill: Thank you as well. That is interesting you described the haze on a black car. I put 845 over the top of a coating of PB Black Hole on my brand new car as a quick fix to hold me until Spring and found the results to resemble an oily black abyss. I couldn't detect any hazing, even in bright sunlight. 915 sounds very tempting if it is even "clearer" and deeper than 845.
Bill: Thank you as well. That is interesting you described the haze on a black car. I put 845 over the top of a coating of PB Black Hole on my brand new car as a quick fix to hold me until Spring and found the results to resemble an oily black abyss. I couldn't detect any hazing, even in bright sunlight. 915 sounds very tempting if it is even "clearer" and deeper than 845.
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#915 will not dissappoint, no biggie applying it by hand as its easier than putting your 3" foam pad in there, just a bit too much work IMO, just do it by hand, easier to control/apply for sure. If you think #845 spreads far wait till you try #915. Also, I've applied all Collinite products to the car completely, then removed without any issues, ever!
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I used the PB Black Hole glaze topped with 845 more than a few times on my black Dodge Charger and it always looked awesome.
rops:Used 845 for the first time today. Picked it up after reading through every post in this thread fascinated by the testimonials it was receiving. I am so thankful for having read up on the experiences of others, it allowed me to go into the application with a lot of confidence.
As many do I started out applying a little thicker than needed but was able to correct my technique after the first few panels and was happy with how the process went. I covered the whole car first, then returned to buff off and I had NO issues removing. I, as so many others have to say that I am very pleased with the results thus far. I applied by hand and used a yellow circular foam applicator after placing the bottle in the sun while I washed the vehicle and then shook until liquid consistency. I used an old circle tupperware lid that I would pour a small amount of product into and then dip the pad, not the best but by the end of the car I think I had it down. This allowed for a light layer of product to touch the whole pad at once.
My only other LSP experience to this point was BF crystal seal and while I enjoyed the ease of application I personally saw an immediate difference in the warmth of shine that the 845 provided. The CS was applied about 8 weeks ago after washing/claying/polishing and while the results were great at this point I am very happy I went with the 845. The 845 was applied today after a wash (the 8th maint. wash the car has received since being sealed). I plan on using the DODO juice supernatural acrylic spritz I picked up on BOGO as a post wash detailer in the coming weeks.
Thanks again to the AG family for the great recommendation.
As many do I started out applying a little thicker than needed but was able to correct my technique after the first few panels and was happy with how the process went. I covered the whole car first, then returned to buff off and I had NO issues removing. I, as so many others have to say that I am very pleased with the results thus far. I applied by hand and used a yellow circular foam applicator after placing the bottle in the sun while I washed the vehicle and then shook until liquid consistency. I used an old circle tupperware lid that I would pour a small amount of product into and then dip the pad, not the best but by the end of the car I think I had it down. This allowed for a light layer of product to touch the whole pad at once.
My only other LSP experience to this point was BF crystal seal and while I enjoyed the ease of application I personally saw an immediate difference in the warmth of shine that the 845 provided. The CS was applied about 8 weeks ago after washing/claying/polishing and while the results were great at this point I am very happy I went with the 845. The 845 was applied today after a wash (the 8th maint. wash the car has received since being sealed). I plan on using the DODO juice supernatural acrylic spritz I picked up on BOGO as a post wash detailer in the coming weeks.
Thanks again to the AG family for the great recommendation.
This thread has a lot of pages and posts. I'm sorry that I did not have the time to read through all of it. I applied 845 after keeping the bottle in the Hawaiian sun on a cloudy day for an hour. It was still chunky so I had to use hot water in a large bowl to heat up the container so the wax was turned into liquid.
I will admit that the first panel coated using a DA was a little thick on application to get used to the product. I think this is where my problem began.
After a day (80 degrees weather all week/year), my hood hazed up on me after sitting in the garage the whole time overnight. No problem, I read about others having the same problem. I wiped down the hood with Meg's UQD and the haze was gone. After three days, the haze appeared on the hood again but was gone by the next morning (no buffing or wiping). After another two days, the haze was back in the evening and gone by morning.
The haze after the second time appeared in the early evening after the car sat out in the sun all day at work. After the first day, I could understand since I probably applied it too thick on the hood since that was my starting point. After buffing it off with QD, why would it come back?
I think the humidity has something to do with the haze but cannot justify it without further testing. No other product has hazed on me after buffing it off. I've used many straight OTC carnauba waxes before too. 845 was a little difficult to take off compared to anything I've used in the past (carnauba wax, Zaino, NXT, ULW and Menzerna PL).
The shine was great on a '13 Toyota RAV4 dark green paint. I just don't think the work to apply and remove was worth it. Considering the haze I had to deal with, I would not want to use this again.
Did I do something wrong? What causes the haze later on after buffing off? I wanted this wax to work, so I would appreciate any help to keep this wax. Buffing off the wax manually was harder than most things I have tried. Is this normal?
I will admit that the first panel coated using a DA was a little thick on application to get used to the product. I think this is where my problem began.
After a day (80 degrees weather all week/year), my hood hazed up on me after sitting in the garage the whole time overnight. No problem, I read about others having the same problem. I wiped down the hood with Meg's UQD and the haze was gone. After three days, the haze appeared on the hood again but was gone by the next morning (no buffing or wiping). After another two days, the haze was back in the evening and gone by morning.
The haze after the second time appeared in the early evening after the car sat out in the sun all day at work. After the first day, I could understand since I probably applied it too thick on the hood since that was my starting point. After buffing it off with QD, why would it come back?
I think the humidity has something to do with the haze but cannot justify it without further testing. No other product has hazed on me after buffing it off. I've used many straight OTC carnauba waxes before too. 845 was a little difficult to take off compared to anything I've used in the past (carnauba wax, Zaino, NXT, ULW and Menzerna PL).
The shine was great on a '13 Toyota RAV4 dark green paint. I just don't think the work to apply and remove was worth it. Considering the haze I had to deal with, I would not want to use this again.
Did I do something wrong? What causes the haze later on after buffing off? I wanted this wax to work, so I would appreciate any help to keep this wax. Buffing off the wax manually was harder than most things I have tried. Is this normal?
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Did you apply it thin, and wipe it well with a good microfiber towel.:buffing:
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I gather you mean a haze that could probably be better termed as "blushing". Not a cloudy or streaky finish in the wax itself, but it is occurring under certain weather conditions, otherwise at other times, the paint finish is crystal clear, with no hazing-clouding in the paint?
Sounds almost like the hood itself is reaching some dewpoint conditions to cause this. I take it no other panels do this?
It could be improper cleaning and prep, at least specifically on the hood, but then again, maybe not?
About all I can say, and suggest, that if this specific Collinite product is giving you headaches, and has caused freaky issues unlike any other products you ever used, and that just isn't doing it for you, then I say banish the product from your arsenal.
Perhaps start over with a good paint cleaner-prep from someone like Pinnacle, or DP, and try another product?
Use the Collinite on something else, or give the bottle to a friend-family member.
Mark
Sounds almost like the hood itself is reaching some dewpoint conditions to cause this. I take it no other panels do this?
It could be improper cleaning and prep, at least specifically on the hood, but then again, maybe not?
About all I can say, and suggest, that if this specific Collinite product is giving you headaches, and has caused freaky issues unlike any other products you ever used, and that just isn't doing it for you, then I say banish the product from your arsenal.
Perhaps start over with a good paint cleaner-prep from someone like Pinnacle, or DP, and try another product?
Use the Collinite on something else, or give the bottle to a friend-family member.
Mark
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I'm not sure humidity has anything to do with it. The first time I used 845 it was on a day that was in the high 80's with humidity over 70%.
By the sounds of things you put it on too thick. There have been other people who reported similar issues with other products, when applied too thickly, haze repeatedly and have to be wiped down. There was a description of what was going on, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.
By the sounds of things you put it on too thick. There have been other people who reported similar issues with other products, when applied too thickly, haze repeatedly and have to be wiped down. There was a description of what was going on, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.
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Because you were not aggressive enough with your buffing. 845 has really good durability and by the time you saw the problem your thick layer already cured.
I would be hard pressed to believe 845 is incompatible with your hood.
Increase the frequency of the QD's to wear down 845 on the hood (maybe 2-3x per day) and over the course of a couple of days you should begin to see a difference. The other approach would be to use a paint cleaner or pre-wax cleaner to eliminate 845 and then rewax.
With 845 on some paint systems, you absolutely MUST apply it extremely lightly to the point where you have to strain your eyes to see if any product is being applied to the paint.
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The last part is sooooo true, all Collinite products go forever when it comes to applications. It could be a number of people here are of the mind set of how products were applied "back in the day", not saying its everyone but it really does sound like it was applied to thickly.
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