Sorry for the late reply,
Just to note to anyone reading this, if you don't see me posting to the forum it usually because I'm working on an off-line projects. I try to stay up to date as much as I can but there's always lots of projects in the works... :dblthumb2:
Mike,
I just purchased a sample of WG Total Swirl Remover, and I am curious if you could give me a bit of a breakdown on the biggest differences between that and Menzerna Power Finish.
According to the Menzerna Chart, Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover is a tick more aggressive than Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 and similar to Menzerna Super Intensive Polish PO 83
Menzerna-Chart
And the information on the Menzerna Store site,
Menzerna Products Page
Menzerna Power Finish PO 203
* Can remove down to #2000 Grit Sanding Marks - Results depend upon Top Coat Hardness, Pad Type and Application Method.
Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 one polish designed to produce a fantastic gloss in less time than a two step polish process. Designed for the OEM market, Power Finish delivers a shine like Nano Polish with a cutting ability approaching Super Intensive Polish. Eliminate imperfections and rev up the gloss in just one step!
Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 is made for the OEM market as a quick way to polish out light flaws and amplify the paint’s gloss.
It has the cutting ability just a step below Super Intensive. This will remove moderate to mild swirls, water spots, and light scratches. Then Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 does something amazing – it burnishes the paint to an ultra high gloss, like you’d expect from Nano Polish. For busy detailers, Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 saves time and money by doing the work of two products.
Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 is formulated for all clear coats. It addresses the most common paint condition on the most common paint on the road today. Power Finish is an everyday detailing product. It removes the light to mid-range imperfections that plaque most vehicles and then leaves a silky smooth gloss. Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 and a wax are often all you need to restore a deep gloss to the paint.
Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 contains Menzerna’s uniform, finely milled abrasives. The polish is packed with a high concentration of abrasives to level imperfections effectively without marring. Therefore, you can achieve a high gloss shine in fewer steps… and with fewer polishes!
Menzerna Power Finish PO 203 is a silicone-free, low-dusting polish. It is body shop safe and easy to clean up. Just like all Menzerna polishes, Power Finish should be applied with a polisher for best results. We recommend using a polishing pad.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover
Similar to
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish PO 83
* Can remove down to #2000 Grit Sanding Marks - Results depend upon Top Coat Hardness, Pad Type and Application Method.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 by Menzerna is an all-in-one swirl remover that finishes like a polish. Remove 2000 grit sanding scratches, oxidation, and swirls - all with one polish. Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 is made by Menzerna of Germany to our specifications. It meets all our criteria for a perfect polish and we guarantee it will exceed your expectations.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 is a feat of modern surface science. Developed by Menzerna for Wolfgang, Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 is an aggressive swirl remover with the gentle touch of a shine-enhancing polish. It’s not an oxymoron – it’s a unique breed of abrasives that level paint without scratching. Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 starts improving the paint immediately and leaves the paint noticeably smoother and shinier, even before the finishing polish is applied.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 is a hybrid of our original Total Swirl Remover formula and Menzerna’s fast-cutting polish for ceramic clear coats. It combines Wolfgang’s diminishing abrasive technology with Menzerna’s special milling process, which produces consistently sized, fast cutting abrasives.
Most heavy-cut swirl removers work by leveling the edges of scratches with large abrasives. The large scratches are replaced with smaller scratches caused by the abrasives. The next swirl remover will have smaller abrasives to remove these scratches. After that, you’ll need a finishing polish.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 takes a direct route to a perfect finish. Our specially milled abrasives, developed by Menzerna of Germany, work to eliminate imperfections without creating new ones. These small abrasives are milled for consistency. As they smooth over a scratch, the abrasives diminish at the same rate because they all started at the same size. The result is smooth paint in fewer steps.
If another step is needed to fully restore the gloss, simply switch to a softer foam pad. Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 works more or less aggressively based on your pad selection. If you need aggressive swirl and oxidation removal, use a cutting or light cutting pad. If you need minor swirl removal, use a polishing pad. Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 works with your pad of choice to give you the best results.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 works on all types of paint, including today’s ceramic clear coats. This type of paint is much harder than a conventional clear coat, which can make it tough to correct. Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 delivers excellent results on scratch-resistant clear coats. A high concentration of German abrasives, combined with Wolfgang’s lubricant-rich formula, provide Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 with excellent leveling ability. All types of paint can be successfully and flawlessly corrected with Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 can be used with a dual action polisher to remove moderate swirls and imperfections.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 is designed to deliver maximum performance in an easy-to-use formula. The water-based polish is low-dusting, silicone-free, and wax-free. With no fillers, you can monitor your progress. Menzerna’s polishes are developed for auto production so every polish they make is suitable for a body shop environment.
Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 can be applied with a dual action or a rotary (circular) polisher. The polish will cut quickly when applied with a rotary polisher, which makes it easier to correct hard, ceramic clear coats. However, there is enough lubrication to afford Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 a longer working time with a dual action polisher. This versatility makes Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 an ideal choice for detailers of all skill levels.
One polish can do it all. Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0 cuts like a light duty compound but finishes like a polish. Remove 2000 grit scratches, oxidation, and swirls on any type of paint, and leave a smooth, wax-ready finish.
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish PO 83
Concentrated abrasive action for today’s scratch-resistant, ceramic clear coats.
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish is designed for the removal of scratches, swirls, and oxidation on the scratch-resistant clear coats used by Mercedes Benz. Concentrated, specially milled abrasives remove 2000 grit sanding scratches to leave a brilliant shine with little or no hazing.
Note: Menzerna Super Intensive Polish also goes by the part number Menzerna PO85RD 3.02 but it has been shortened to PO83 for simplicity by Menzerna USA, the US distribution office for Menzerna Polishes.
At the end of 2003, Mercedes Benz put into production a new scratch-resistant clear coat lacquer made up of nano-sized ceramic particles, which are baked and hardened in the paint shop oven, just like you’d bake pottery in a kiln. This process results in an extensively cross-linked, very hard paint finish that stands up better to mechanical car washes and day to day abuse. This clear coat, called CeramiClear from PPG, is the only nanotechnology clear coat used on Mercedes production lines and is approved for the repair of Mercedes and Nissans.
The problem with the ceramic clear coat is that it is harder to correct than the comparatively soft clear coats used by most other car manufacturers. Ceramic paint can still scratch; just not as easily. When a scratch does occur, not all the polishes on the market are capable of removing it from the new, hard-as-a-rock clear coats.
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish is formulated specifically for the new ceramic, scratch-resistant clear coats. Menzerna developed a new family of abrasives that are better able to penetrate the hard paint and level imperfections. Super Intensive Polish is the most aggressive of this new breed of polishes, capable of removing 2000 grit sanding scratches.
Though this is a powerful polish, Menzerna Super Intensive Polish produces virtually no dust or haze. The polish contains a high concentration of small abrasives, which allows the polish to work cleaner. The tiny abrasives blend away imperfections using consistent abrasive action, meaning the hundreds of abrasives are repeatedly passing over the blemish to gradually eliminate it. The results are smooth, glossy, haze-free paint.
On most paints, you can go straight from Menzerna Super Intensive Polish to finishing with a wax or sealant without any steps in between. It leaves such a deep gloss, there’s no need for a finishing polish in many cases.
Note: Dark paints may require follow up with a finer polish. Use Menzerna Nano Polish, which is also formulated for scratch-resistant clear coats.
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish can be used on all types of paint, including conventional clear coats. Use it on fresh paint finishes (once fully cured) to eliminate any swirls or overspray. On older paint finishes, Menzerna Super Intensive Polish will remove moderate imperfections and refresh the color.
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish contains no silicone, waxes, fillers, or glaze. It’s a water-based pure polish, which makes it ideal for a body shop or paint shop environment.
In the final analysis, Menzerna Super Intensive Polish is a step beyond the average polish in terms of cutting ability but its clean, haze-free finish is definitely representative of a polish. Regardless of its classification, it’s the best choice for polishing and paint correction on today’s hard, ceramic clear coats.
I am leaning towards the WG because of the "diminishing" effect, but I'm curious about the final outcome because I am using a Flex 3401 rather than a rotary -
i.e. I am wondering about "working time" of the abrasives - more specifically, will WG "diminish" before I have had enough time to work the polish to the point of removing the scratching, marring, etc.???
If you work the polish to the point where the diminishing abrasive have effectively broken down and there are still swirls and scratches remaining, then simply repeat the process by,
- Wipe off spent residue from panel
- Clean pad and remove any spend product and removed paint particles
- Re-apply fresh product and buff section
Simple Simon
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The specific problem I have is actually on my personal vehicle, which is a lot of light scratches (cannot catch them with my fingernail) from the previous owners carelessness
Typical story...
Used "Nano", but did not get the results I wanted
Now this is important for your learning curve...
Did you buff out your entire car with the Nano to find out it wasn't aggressive enough to remove the defects to meet your expectations?
OR
Did you do just a TEST SPOT and then STOP until you can alter your process?
Alter process = Asking a question like you're doing here on the forum.
Thanks!
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Thanks man! I was under the impression that RIDS were deep enough to feel with my fingernail, so thats why I didn't explain it as that. I didn't want to pick a polish with too much cut, and end up "over-polishing" so to speak.
I'll put the finishing touches on an article on RIDS and post the link to it in this thread. :xyxthumbs:
I will try the TSR and let you know. Tell the shipping guys to hurry!!! I can't stand looking at the scratches
I always recommend doing a Test Spot, dial in your system before going over the entire car. A Test Spot will let you know if your pad, product, tool, (tool = application process), is aggressive enough to remove the defects effectively enough and fast enough to meet your expectation.
