Concern with souveran spray

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I am concerned that all of the solvents used to get rock hard carnauba into a liquid will also dissolve the layers of wax that is already on the paint. I want to use it as a wax booster after every other wash or so but i am thinking that all of those solvents will just take off everything and only a layer of Souveran spray wax is going to remain. Thoughts?
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
I am concerned that all of the solvents used to get rock hard carnauba into a liquid will also dissolve the layers of wax that is already on the paint. I want to use it as a wax booster after every other wash or so but i am thinking that all of those solvents will just take off everything and only a layer of Souveran spray wax is going to remain. Thoughts?
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i notived that sig series 2 has solvents in it too. but then they say you can layer it hmm
 
trhland said:
i notived that sig series 2 has solvents in it too. but then they say you can layer it hmm
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Well all carnauba waxes have solvents in them, carnauba starts off as a solid that is much harder than concrete, solvents are used so that it can be put into a usable form. Generaly solid waxes like a paste have the least amount of solvents where as a liquid has the most. Of course it matters how much carnauba we are talking about here. But if the amount of nuba is constant liquids have the most solvents. And I guess going along these guide lines solid waxes would be able to layer better than liquid because the solvents in the liquid wax will dissolve the first layer.
 
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Souveran Spray is a qd+ used as a booster to upkeep Souveran or other waxes even though it can be used alone (just like AW), so I doubt the solvents in it are strong enough to harm the LSP.
 
Surfer said:
Souveran Spray is a qd+ used as a booster to upkeep Souveran or other waxes even though it can be used alone (just like AW), so I doubt the solvents in it are strong enough to harm the LSP.
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Well they are strong enough to turn rock hard carnauba into a liquid.
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
Well they are strong enough to turn rock hard carnauba into a liquid.
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Doesn't mean their strong enough to harm the LSP, solvent/minerals evaporate fairly quickly when applied as the wax sets. I've used other detail sprays with solvents like PB's QW+ or whatever its called (forgot) that never harmed the lsp and I know b/c qw+ last a week or two if that, and beading still continues tightly from lsp originally. QW+ by itself, and there's pretty much no beading after a week or two.

I wouldn't be worried about Souveran Spray, or any other qd+
 
I agree, the solvents may be strong enough to keep the wax from hardening when added while the wax is melted but not strong enough to harm the fully cured LSP.
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
I am concerned that all of the solvents used to get rock hard carnauba into a liquid will also dissolve the layers of wax that is already on the paint. I want to use it as a wax booster after every other wash or so but i am thinking that all of those solvents will just take off everything and only a layer of Souveran spray wax is going to remain. Thoughts?
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I think NOT!
 
By applying a product that contains a solvent (QD) to a surface that has a previously applied wax or sealant that has set-up (wax) or cross-liked (polymer) you will probably soften the top most surface but you won't remove it. The solvent content in a QD is not usually that high, just enough to soften the wax (and most are synthetic (Microcrystalline) polymer wax) and help the spray to atomise

Water-based quick detailer’s (QD) are usually an oil-in-water emulsion that is formulated with silicone, polymer or mineral oils that act as a lubricant and a solvent that helps the spray to atomise the product
 
I believe every product that contains carnauba in it uses a solvent. Using a solvent is the only way to break down the carnauba in a usable form.
 
solvents used in most waxes and almost all qd'er type products flash almost immediately upon hitting the environment. This also why these need air tight lids and can dry up to a hard mess if left open.
 
Gary Sword said:
I believe every product that contains carnauba in it uses a solvent. Using a solvent is the only way to break down the carnauba in a usable form.
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Thats what I said "all carnauba waxes have solvents in them, carnauba starts off as a solid that is much harder than concrete, solvents are used so that it can be put into a usable form"-ME. So according to your statements killr and TOGWT would I be right in saying that if I poured alcohol(which is probably much more mild than the stuff they use to break down carnauba) all over my paint which has cured carnauba on it, it would be ok because it flashes fast and it would only weaken the top layer?
 
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Thejoyofdriving said:
Thats what I said "all carnauba waxes have solvents in them, carnauba starts off as a solid that is much harder than concrete, solvents are used so that it can be put into a usable form"-ME. So according to your statements killr and TOGWT would I be right in saying that if I poured alcohol(which is probably much more mild than the stuff they use to break down carnauba) all over my paint which has cured carnauba on it, it would be ok because it flashes fast and it would only weaken the top layer?
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Your making it more complicated then it is
 
Surfer said:
Your making it more complicated then it is
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True but no surprises there.

Scott is saying that the solvents in a spray wax dissipate when you spray it on. Alcohol does evaporate quickly but pouring a whole bottle on a hood is nothing like solvents in a spray wax... This is detailing, not chemistry. Why don't you buy the products and test them yourself and then when you have some actual proof of suspicion then you can post...
 
budman3 said:
True but no surprises there.

Scott is saying that the solvents in a spray wax dissipate when you spray it on. Alcohol does evaporate quickly but pouring a whole bottle on a hood is nothing like solvents in a spray wax... This is detailing, not chemistry. Why don't you buy the products and test them yourself and then when you have some actual proof of suspicion then you can post...
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not pouring the whole bottle, just spraying it on the paint just like you would with SS. My guess is that it would remove the wax. And true alcohol is different than the solvents used in SS, the solvents used in SS are probably much much stronger, remember carnauba is a solid harder than concrete and they have to get it down to a liquid. I dont really see a clear way to test this, I have SS already I just dont want to use it because of this. If you could come up with some sort of test I would be more than happy to do it. So since i cant test it im just using common sense, solvents dissolve things, put something that is high in powerful solvents on paint and it will remove any wax that is already on there.
 
The solvent used in most paste waxes is called Stoddard Solvent...Now a Beauty wax uses more oils than the solvents...such as coconut oils..banana oils...citrus oils..almond oils....and a few other things....

Al
 
Al-53 said:
The solvent used in most paste waxes is called Stoddard Solvent...Now a Beauty wax uses more oils than the solvents...such as coconut oils..banana oils...citrus oils..almond oils....and a few other things....

Al
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true ,true, but it still needs solvents to break down that nuba. Oils wont do that they are just there for shine and ease of application.
 
As I said the solvent is called Stoddard solvent....look it up....and the oils will also keep it soft.....the solvents are cheaper..the oils are more costly to get pure versions

Al
 
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