Concern with souveran spray

Thejoyofdriving said:
true ,true, but it still needs solvents to break down that nuba. Oils wont do that they are just there for shine and ease of application.
Click to expand...
Your making it seem as if the waxes are loaded with solvents and their not, and the oils do help condition the wax to be soft. Spray waxes have higher concentrations but does not harm the LSP, only very slightly to the top layer if anything. I said I've used spray waxes before and never noticed any bad effects on the LSP, if what you said was true my vehicles wouldn't have kept beading weeks after applying since a spray wax like PB QW+ last a week or so.
 
Al-53 said:
As I said the solvent is called Stoddard solvent....look it up....and the oils will also keep it soft.....the solvents are cheaper..the oils are more costly to get pure versions

Al
Click to expand...

Ok, I agree with you but im not talking about oils being expensive. Apparently the solvents used in carnauba waxes are similar to paint thinner. Now I dont think any one in there right mind could argue that a paint thinner will remove fully cured wax. So since SS is full of theses "white spirits" or stoddard solvents" it would seem to make sense that it will strip off any wax that is on the paint and deposit the carnauba from SS. Which would confirm my suspicion.
 
Surfer said:
Your making it seem as if the waxes are loaded with solvents and their not, and the oils do help condition the wax to be soft. Spray waxes have higher concentrations but does not harm the LSP, only very slightly to the top layer if anything. I said I've used spray waxes before and never noticed any bad effects on the LSP, if what you said was true my vehicles wouldn't have kept beading weeks after applying since a spray wax like PB QW+ last a week or so.
Click to expand...

Are you saying paint thinner wont strip off wax
 
it depends on the percentage used.....have you tried to ignite Spray sov...does it lite....also a test to try is put a sharpie marker line on a test panel....see if the solvents disolve it....I do not think it will..now try NXT Spray..it will disolve it..stronger solvents in NXT....

AL
 
Al-53 said:
it depends on the percentage used.....have you tried to ignite Spray sov...does it lite....also a test to try is put a sharpie marker line on a test panel....see if the solvents disolve it....I do not think it will..now try NXT Spray..it will disolve it..stronger solvents in NXT....

AL
Click to expand...

To ignite i would assume it has to be at least close to 50% solvents, you know kind of like if you try to light beer which is only 5% alcohol it wont light but vodka will. I doubt that SS has any higher than 30% solvents by volume. But the sharpie thing is a good idea:applause:
 
Surfer said:
Yeh thats exactly what I said:rolleyes:
Click to expand...

Well you said "....does not harm the LSP, only very slightly to the top layer if anything." So SS contains solvents ("white spirits") which are also used in paint thinner, except at much lower concentrations, but they still have to use enough to turn rock hard carnauba into a liquid. So since there is a significant amount of carnauba in SS than it must also contain a significant amount of solvents(paint thinner if you will) therefore you are stating that a mixture of white spirits (paint thinner), carnauba wax, oils, and who knows what else wont remove an LSP? After all you are spraying on the very thing that dissolves carnauba onto carnauba. You starting to get what im saying?
 
I'd be more concerned of the MF wiping across the surface removing more wax than a spray wax. Or washing a lot will hurt the LSP a lot more as well.

I think it's dumb to be concerned about a spray wax removing old wax... it's not like you're losing protection because the spray wax will lay some more wax down...

What if the solvents in SS are made to remove the top layer of old, dead wax, and then it'll add more carnauba to refresh that shine? Because as you should know carnauba fades and gets chalky over time.
 
budman3 said:
I
I think it's dumb to be concerned about a spray wax removing old wax... it's not like you're losing protection because the spray wax will lay some more wax down...
Click to expand...

My concern is it would remove more than it would put back.
 
Thejoyofdriving said:
Well you said "....does not harm the LSP, only very slightly to the top layer if anything." So SS contains solvents ("white spirits") which are also used in paint thinner, except at much lower concentrations, but they still have to use enough to turn rock hard carnauba into a liquid. So since there is a significant amount of carnauba in SS than it must also contain a significant amount of solvents(paint thinner if you will) therefore you are stating that a mixture of white spirits (paint thinner), carnauba wax, oils, and who knows what else wont remove an LSP? After all you are spraying on the very thing that dissolves carnauba onto carnauba. You starting to get what im saying?
Click to expand...
I said I've used quite a few Spray waxes and not once ever noticed it harm the LSP, and generally the spray waxes don't last long, Souveran Spray seems to have better durability then most. Others like qw+ last a week or two if your lucky, I've used them alone and noticed no beading after 2 or so weeks. Yet if I used to "spruce" up some carnauba, the beading still last well after 2 weeks.....if the solvents were strong enough to harm the lsp, I'd have no beading at that period just like when I used them alone (the spray waxes). Trust us, don't be worried with Souveran Spray.

NXT if anything is pry the most solvent heavy spray wax, I have some and don't like it, but I don't care for the NXT line anyway.
 
"they still have to use enough to turn rock hard carnauba into a liquid"

this is NOT true, the rock hard carnauba is first melted, the solvents only manage to keep it from re-hardening when liquified by heat. The fact that it takes melting the wax to make it usable should tell us that adding the solvents to the fully cured wax will have little or no impact, otherwise the production of the waxes could be done without heat. Make sense?

Also, the hardness of carnauba has been repeatedly compared to concrete - think about the way concrete is used...

Water is added to a mix, the water holds the particles in suspension, keeping the substance pliable and formable. After curing, the concrete hardens, but... pouring water on top of it will not cause it to go back into suspension.

Make sense?
 
but a spray bottle of water in the freezer for a while so that it's very very cold, but not enough to begin to solidify. spray the water over the part of the car your'e doing and then use the QD with it, this will keep the layer of wax in place better by making it colder, and the quick detailer eliminates streaks from the water so you shoudln't have to worry about that.
 
makdaddy626 said:
"they still have to use enough to turn rock hard carnauba into a liquid"

this is NOT true, the rock hard carnauba is first melted, the solvents only manage to keep it from re-hardening when liquified by heat. The fact that it takes melting the wax to make it usable should tell us that adding the solvents to the fully cured wax will have little or no impact, otherwise the production of the waxes could be done without heat. Make sense?

Also, the hardness of carnauba has been repeatedly compared to concrete - think about the way concrete is used...

Water is added to a mix, the water holds the particles in suspension, keeping the substance pliable and formable. After curing, the concrete hardens, but... pouring water on top of it will not cause it to go back into suspension.

Make sense?
Click to expand...

Um, I never though about that good point. But regardless....... the white solvents used in waxes is very strong, and they use these white solvents to make paint thinner. Im not saying they are bad for paint, just saying that you would think something which contains strong solvents would be able to remove wax, i mean if dish washing soap can remove wax it doesn't take much to remove wax.
 
Last edited:
Dish washing soap is a degreaser ... of coure it'll strip wax.

Did you know that a lot of QDs contain alcohol? Did you know that carnauba is in a lot of candy? Just because there are materials in detailing products that can be found elsewhere doesn't mean they are bad for the paint. This stuff is used in moderation.

Manufacturers don't sit down and say "Oh I'll throw in a little paint thinner here and a little alcohol and hey why not some wax and make a QD". They do extensive testing to make sure that the ingredients in their products are safe for the paint. If not, their product would fail and they could go out of business. I view you as trying to bash Pinnacle by saying their spray wax will hurt your paint or whatever is on it. A little proof of your assumptions would be nice.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top