D114 first impressions

I wanted to like 114, and if I want to top with something I will use it. For a weekly wash though its a PIA for me. The sudz will hang in the trim ect and unless blown out it will run and run and run for hours it seems. Wiping bubbles for a rinseless is a pia as well. If we are going to simply compare the look of the vehicle after a wash only, ONR handily beats it as well.

Its good, but I feel like I would only use it for a specific reason, IE topping my vehicle after. For normal washing, the running from the trim is a real downer.
 
JeffM said:
I wanted to like 114, and if I want to top with something I will use it. For a weekly wash though its a PIA for me. The sudz will hang in the trim ect and unless blown out it will run and run and run for hours it seems. Wiping bubbles for a rinseless is a pia as well. If we are going to simply compare the look of the vehicle after a wash only, ONR handily beats it as well.

Its good, but I feel like I would only use it for a specific reason, IE topping my vehicle after. For normal washing, the running from the trim is a real downer.
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I've never ever experienced suds while using D114, and I dilute it @1:128. What kind of water are you mixing it with? Are you shaking the bucket?
 
JeffM said:
I wanted to like 114, and if I want to top
with something I will use it. For a weekly
wash though its a PIA for me.

The sudz will hang in the trim ect
and unless blown out it will run and
run and run for hours it seems.

Wiping bubbles for a rinseless is a pia
as well. If we are going to simply compare
the look of the vehicle after a wash only,
ONR handily beats it as well.

Its good, but I feel like I would only use
it for a specific reason, IE topping my
vehicle after.

For normal washing, the running from
the trim is a real downer.
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Just because ONR doesn't have "bubbles"...
Are you saying that means that ONR, itself,
doesn't "keep running from the trim"? TIA.


Bob
 
Eldorado2k said:
I've never ever experienced suds while using D114, and I dilute it @1:128. What kind of water are you mixing it with? Are you shaking the bucket?
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It could be due to the big red sponge Im using, I will try it with my boars hair brush when the snow melts !
 
I use D114 as a rinseless, waterless, quik detailer, claylube, pre wash soak, interior wipedown, etc.. And I've yet to see even a hint of suds while doing any of it. I wish I could see you make it happen..
 
FUNX650 said:
Just because ONR doesn't have "bubbles"...
Are you saying that means that ONR, itself,
doesn't "keep running from the trim"? TIA.


Bob
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While drying the vehicle with onr on it, the water will pull into the drying towel , it runs very little compared to 114.
 
JeffM said:
It could be due to the big red sponge Im using, I will try it with my boars hair brush when the snow melts !
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Hmm.. I'm not familiar with the Big Red Sponge. Could be.
 
JeffM said:
While drying the vehicle with onr on it, the water will pull into the drying towel , it runs very little compared to 114.
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Strange...the drying towel, that is.

So you're saying it'll pull more of a
Water/ONR-solution into itself, than it
will a Water/D114-solution. Interesting.


Bob
 
FUNX650 said:
Strange...the drying towel, that is.

So you're saying it'll pull more of a
Water/ONR-solution into itself, than it
will a Water/D114-solution. Interesting.


Bob
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Been my observation.

No one else thinks 114 runs out of the trim for an extended period of time?
 
And fwiw, I have many more megs products then optimums. Its not about favoritism.
 
it's a common observation that D114 is a bit "soapy" vs. what we are used to with rinseless washes. i agree. it's somewhat less soapy when using the later "corrected" dilutions of 256:1. either way, i have no problems with its consistency, though. suds or not, it works fine.

i will continue to use ONR, as i have for years...and this. i think the "panel wipe" feature will help toward me keeping this on hand indefinitely no matter which i end up preferring for rinseless.
 
builthatch said:
it's a common observation that D114 is a bit "soapy" vs. what we are used to with rinseless washes. i agree. it's somewhat less soapy when using the later "corrected" dilutions of 256:1. either way, i have no problems with its consistency, though. suds or not, it works fine.

i will continue to use ONR, as i have for years...and this. i think the "panel wipe" feature will help toward me keeping this on hand indefinitely no matter which i end up preferring for rinseless.
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I've only used D114 at the 256:1. I'd be a little careful with the perception of the "panel wipe" (unless you are mixing it with heavy IPA as suggested, and even then...); I think it was another thread where it came up that D114 might be creating the "Dawn effect" at high concentrations in which it appears to have removed the LSP because there is no beading, while in actuality it is leaving something on the surface which is inhibiting the beading.
 
After the last couple weeks we have had here, 5" of snow, wind and rain, I got a chance to 114 my Jeep to post some pictures of what It looks like as far as sudz goes.

This was @ 4 onr cap fulls per 3 gallons or 2 oz.

This is the door after the doing the hood, the hood had slight suds, but by the time I got to the door it started increasing.

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This is the bucket after about half the jeep

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Suds everywhere

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I completely dried the Jeep and tried to find some suds that were hiding in the trim, that would show up on camera. This spot is the best the camera could capture. Youll have to trust me that there was a good amount in the trim throughout the Jeep.

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All in all 114 is a good enough product and ill use it when I want to top with silica, I also suspect the big red sponge is causing the sudsing, but I wish it could be avoided.

I am doing a long term test with the BRS to see if ONR or 114 will eventually leave swirls with it. Ive washed 4 times after my spring polishing (I didnt know spring was only 4 days long), and so far no evidence of wash induced marring. And im not really that careful, it will polish out :)
 
D114 is nowhere near that susdsy when I use it at 1 oz to 2 gallons. Are you sure there isn't residual shampoo in the BRS?
 
I'm speechless... I've never seen anything like that. Lol.
It's as if you have a mislabeled gallon of Shampoo Plus instead of D114. That's just crazy suds. Thx for posting the pics.
That must be 1 heck of a sponge if anyone's really into suds.😉
 
Do you squeeze or massage the sponge under the solution a lot?

Do you use softened water?

Are you using both D114 and ONR with the Big Red Sponge?

Have you used the BSR with traditional car wash soap?

If so, do you use anything to clean the sponge out when switching between the two products?

ONR is said to be a water softener, but I do not know if it has the same affect as other forms of softened water. My relatives had softened water and just a touch of soap would create much more suds, would feel slippery longer, and seemed harder to rinse from my hands.

Maybe the ONR is staying in the sponge and causing a softening affect or your water is softened, or soft.

I just get a little bit of suds with it like Brutal below.
 
Could be the sponge. It does get somewhat foamy higher than 1:256. I like to wash @ 1:128, but it's not as sudsy as above.

Photos courtesy of rwright:
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See the rest of his D114 REVIEW here.
 
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